Italian Game vs Ruy Lopez

Elubas wrote:
If you think the ruy lopez is passive then you don't understand it's subtleties well enough. Yes, the bishop is less active, yes it can get pushed around, but with the ruy lopez white is not trying to mate black in 25 moves, he's playing for the strategic goal of both controlling the center, and trying to use the pin to make black weaken his queenside. The pin puts pressure on black's center, so it makes it more likely for white to take control of it, and in the main lines, he indeed gets the two pawn center. And by making black weaken his queenside white gets potential targets there, not that the pawns can't be useful for black either, but it's not something black would want to commit to.

In the italian though, white can't play d4 without sacrificing a pawn.



No in Italian you can play c3

the subtleties of the ruy lopez (for both sides!) are lost on the class player.
it is not easy to understand the nagging pressure white has on the position. Or how black has to retosrt to often unintuitive maneuvers to get counterplay (nc6-nb8, nd7 ,c5, first time i saw moves like that in the ruy, i just thought black wanted to play some other opening)
personally, never saw the appeal to long 15-20 move lines for black in the ruy, i rather deviate early , but it is a very rich opening and that stuff matters at master level.

the best line results in white being much better

From what I can tell, the Closed Morphy is outclassed by the Marshall Attack and Berlin Defense, both of which shut down White’s advantage quite handily. I agree with not seeing the appeal to the 20-move Closed Morphy variations, as I think White holds a comfortable edge no matter what Black does in the Closed Morphy.

For one Nc3 hasn't been played, so the knight doesn't have to move in that second line. Besides that, White doesn't have to move the a-pawn, it's a waste of a move. Instead you can just castle and move the bishop to the d5 square since you haven't played Nf6 yet. If you do take the time to play Nf6 then a4 is fine for White, and since he has already had time to castle after this extra move he's going to open the center with d4 and you're pretty far behind on development. no bueno.

Why is everyone repeating the bishop in the ruy after a7? Bishop for knight is much better.

4. Bxc6 is fully playable.

That's the best that can be said for it.

Italian definitely

I hate the rut lopez

*ruy

It is wierd

Personally the Italian is my favorite for white, especially with the fried liver, we have a tasty knight sac that I learned from Frizjoula.

Chess: Mid-KnightRider vs shchet2002 - 138494919888 - Chess.com

link not working, you can find the game in my profile if you want, I play that opening a lot.

It may appeal to you if you use a spellchecker.

The tool that you want is the second from the right end. Looks like two links of chain.

Unless you're on a hand-held, using the app instead of a web browser.

Then the tool that you want is called a web browser.

Thanks, the line goes 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc3 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 D5 5. exD5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 (brilliant move) 6. ... Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 and the position is +1 for white and we have an extra pawn once we get around to taking the knight

Magnus fell for the trap in the world blitz championship, chances are your opponent will too.

Of course the problem with that line is that it relies on the opponent making a mistake by playing 5. ... Nxd5

5. ... Na5 instead is perfectly OK for Black. Maybe even "Advantage Black". The Traxler and the Umfitsev (? I'm referring to 6. ... Nd4) are also much more playable than 5. ... Nxd5 is.

Every sound opening leads eventually to a more-or-less balanced position. That's why they are called "sound" openings. The main differences between them is whether Black reaches rough equality on move 5, or on move 25.

well yeah, but it is easy to fall for, Magnus did it, and even if they don't, we have a decent position