Jobava London System

FJ83

Hi,

I originally put this in what may have been the wrong section under "Beginners," so I just moved it here.

I've been a member for a long time, but go in and out of playing for various reasons. I started using an opening that I learned from GM Simon Williams called the Jobava London System that starts off with the move order:

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4...

I have had some good results playing folks at work with this, but I've had some issues when black moves 3... Nh5 attacking the bishop on Bf4. I've tried to look for some PGNs, but haven't been successful in finding anything useful. This may be because it's a rubbish move, but im unsure.

Any constructive thoughts would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Lord_Hammer

3...Nh5 is nonsense; no wonder you can't find anything. A simple Be5 works, leaving black in a pretty stupid position. 

Some people like 2...Nc3, but I don't think it's very good because generally you don't want to block your c-pawn in Queen's Pawn openings. 

FJ83

Thanks for the response! Yeah, that is exactly why I like this opening. I wasn't a fan of blocking the c-pawn. I thought it was a bit silly to move the knight twice in a row and to the rim, losing tempo and center control. I probably just completely blundered the games I lost when that happened. Thanks again!

Tdrev

Since this is a thread on the london already does anyone have suggestion to what is a good book on the london for me? I saw Kiri Georgiev wrote an entire book on playing against the london and i know chessbase got dvd against it. The London is really popular around here now i think its worth it for me to learn well to beat it

Tdrev

i took a risk and bought the Georgiev book. I face the London alot i think its worth it

FJ83

I wish I had an answer for ya, but I'm fairly new and biased towards videos. try checking reddit though. they usually have a lot of decent suggestions.

Marvel1810

GM Ginger covered the Jobava London System

For those who think that they are better than him, he is a Grandmaster. 

Countering Jobava London System

pfren
Marvel1810 έγραψε:

GM Ginger covered the Jobava London System

For those who think that they are better than him, he is a Grandmaster. 

Countering Jobava London System

 

It's very hard to believe that a GM recommends the lemon 6...b5? after 5.Na4 Qa5+ 6.c3.

Also, that he does not mention white's most frequent response,  5.Rb1.

SaintMark

It's called Mark's Opening. Jobava has never claimed credit for it (as far as I know), and it's nothing to do with the London system.

www.Marksopening.blogspot.com

FJ83

I'm not too worried about the name or who gets credit for it. Thanks though.

Morphys-Revenge

The Agile London System is a pretty good book. 

Daybreak57

just youtube search GM Chess Lessons London System and get the one that says GM Chess Lessons London Systems.  There you will find about 5 videos with good games to use as a template.  It even shows how to combat the Nh5 idea in some cases.

poucin
SaintMark a écrit :

It's called Mark's Opening. Jobava has never claimed credit for it (as far as I know), and it's nothing to do with the London system.

www.Marksopening.blogspot.com

Could u stop please to shout this opening is yours?

This is quite wrong as your analysis shows u don't understand the points of this move order as white.

For instance, one of these points is to delay Nf3 to play f3 which is useful in this structure, while u always give Nf3 which is irrelevant here.

Jobava attack could be seen as an improved Mark's opening, so ok u could call it Improved Mark's opening.

Or we could call Mark's opening as the worsened Jobava attack.

U continue to ignore or to misunderstand all this, try to think a bit please and don't mislead this forum.

Marvel1810

I think it is called Jobava London System as it has a move Bf4, like the London system and the Mason Attack

Mason Attack

London system

poucin

It is officially called Jobava attack.

FJ83

Really don't care about the name... Why is that important in any way?

FJ83
Daybreak57 wrote:

just youtube search GM Chess Lessons London System and get the one that says GM Chess Lessons London Systems.  There you will find about 5 videos with good games to use as a template.  It even shows how to combat the Nh5 idea in some cases.

Hey, thanks for the response! However, I don't see the video labeled " GM Chess Lessons London System." Would you happen to have the link?

SaintMark
poucin wrote:
SaintMark a écrit :

It's called Mark's Opening. Jobava has never claimed credit for it (as far as I know), and it's nothing to do with the London system.

www.Marksopening.blogspot.com

Could u stop please to shout this opening is yours?

This is quite wrong as your analysis shows u don't understand the points of this move order as white.

For instance, one of these points is to delay Nf3 to play f3 which is useful in this structure, while u always give Nf3 which is irrelevant here.

Jobava attack could be seen as an improved Mark's opening, so ok u could call it Improved Mark's opening.

 

That would be like calling the Slav Defense Improved Queen's gambit declined. Nf3 isn't irrelevant; it's considered by any top player as the best square to develop the knight to.
Why not just call the f3 variation Mark's Opening/Jobava variation if you must give Jobava credit for it?

neveraskmeforadraw

Who the heck is Mark?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

1. d4?! concedes 15 centipawns advantage or so; 1. c4! is better

1...Nf6?! concedes 20 centipawns or so; 1...c5! is better

2. Nc3? concedes 30 centipawns or so; 2. c4 is obviously better