KID without Kingside Attack

Are there any lines for white in the Kings Indian Defense that do not involve black pawn storming on the kingside. I have lost many games to these pawn storms by play the Orthodox variation. The Fianchetto variation sound interesting but I have never tried it.

castle queen side and let black open up his king side of they want. do remember opposite side calling is very dangerous for both sides.

Yes, but white wants to attack on the queenside, and castling queenside really does not help. The exchange variation would probably be my best bet, what do you think?

Not always true.  You need to understand what you are doing.  The King's Indian is not an opening that you can generalize, and hence why it is not recommended for lower rated players.

There are two variations of the King's Indian Defense where White actually attacks Kingside, and two others that stunt Black's attack and slows him down!

White Attacks Kingside:

A) Four Pawns Attack (and White also castles Kingside here)

B) Saemisch (and here White often, though not always, castles Queenside)

Lines that stunt Black's attack, but are slower:

A) Petrosian Variation

B) Averbakh Variation

Yeah, players new to the KID usually misunderstand this. The ultra classical main lines involve black's kingside attack vs white's queenside play, and of course they are good lines, but there are many other variations where the ideas are different.

Nice post by thrillerfan

four pawns shouldnt even be mention

Uhm, why?

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f4 is known to be equal with correct play.  Black should play 9...Bg4 after transposition to the Benoni with 9.cxd5, but White can try other lines that are also equal, like 6.Be2 instead of 6.Nf3, 9.exd5 instead of 9.cxd5, or 7.Be2 instead of 7.d5.  Black also has 6...Na6 instead of 6...c5.

There is a ton of theory in the 4PA.  Reason it is not popular at the GM level is that Black can equalize fairly easily.

Uh, that is exactly what I said about the Petrosian and Averbakh you stupid clown!

Saemisch and Four Pawns are direct king side attacks by white.  And if you play ...f5 against the 4 pawns, your king will die!

The easy way to equality in the four pawns is 6...e5.

You just answered your own question sir. 

KID is not only kingside attack with pawn storm.

It is even somewhat rare!

KID is a very positionnal defence, very difficult to handle because very rich, with many possible pawn structures, and many critical decisions to make : it asks energy and skills, but still highly positionnal.

Moreover, how do u define positional? Postional can be slow manoeuvreing, or caveman attack...

 From the variations you name only some of the lines in Averbakh is in Whites hand to blunt Blacks Kingside attack and the Makagonov, you don't mention. The Petrosian how can blunt Blacks attack? Please show us!

 As for the direct kingside attacks by White with the Saemish and Fourpawns that is a joke as well. The 6...c5 gambit line has refuted all the attacks. In fact is Black the one who attacks Whites Kingside if doesn't accept the gambit.

While the four pawns kingside attack is busted after 6...e5.

The only line White can claim a direct Kingside attack is the Semi-Averbakh and that not without a certain risk.

U forgot Nge2 line, and h3 lines where it is often white who attacks on kingside.

 Show to us, please...

After 10...Qb6 i am not sure if White has a Kingside attack or Black a Queenside.

For sure there is nothing direct called an attack.

Did I mention Saemisch? Nge2 without f3... With Ng3-h4 following.

 The Krammer? I am sorry IM Poucin but i have to inform you that after e5-c6-cxd5 by black, Whites story tail has no dragon ( direct attack ). Black's has more than one ways to generate a counterplay on the Queenside which deprives the first player of consolidating a direct Kingside attack. Now if you call the knight maneuver Ng3 to f1 and back to g3 or the dark square Bishop back and forth from e3 to g5 a direct Kingside attack then i give up... it's yours.

ok, i guess most GM playing these systems as white are clueless or at least would suffer against u.

How does White blunt Black's Kingside attack in the Petrosian?  EASY!

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5 a5 (or 7...Na6 - take your pick) 8.Bg5.

Now Black is forced to play 8...h6 or White will completely dominate after he moves his Knight from f3 to I believe d2.  Black is not allowed the luxury in this line of storming the pawns like he is in the Mar Del Plata!

Oh, and the four pawns is not busted.  White is fine, and I'd even go as far as saying better, after 6...e5 7.dxe5! (not 7.fxe5) dxe5 8.Be2.

Stronger for Black is 6...c5 7.d5 e6 8.Be2 exd5 9.cxd5 Bg4 with an equal game.   6...Na6 is also interesting and White has had some trouble proving more than equality, but again, it doesn't bust the 4 pawns, and if the London is fine, so is the 4 pawns King's Indian.

Uhm, no I didn't answer my own question.  There is nothing wrong with White playing an equal game.  If there was, Carlsen wouldn't have played the Trompowsky or Colle in the World Championship, and he wouldn't be playing the London System right now.

Therefore, no, I didn't answer my own question, and still question any clown that says the four pawns attack shouldn't even be mentioned!

You want to know what shouldn't be mentioned?  Half the other BS that is posted time and time again on this clown forum, like the Bongcloud!