King's Gambit A Challenge From Ponz

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I guess that I should have at least applied for the KG challenge, if I were not qualified it would be ok, but I should at least have send my application file to ponzi Frown

ponz111

Socialista

Since, you are one of my good friends and since your chess has really improved lately, I would have accepted!  [but now it is too late, I have had enough Kings Gambits as Black]

ryszardos

Is your game against chesskingdreamer a centaur game?

ponz111

Yes, all the games are centaur games. 3 games left out of 9

guessing two draws and will try and win the 3rd.

ryszardos
ponz111 wrote:

Yes, all the games are centaur games. 3 games left out of 9

guessing two draws and will try and win the 3rd.

Then this game is against the rules. It should be unrated.

steve_bute
ryszardos wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

Yes, all the games are centaur games. 3 games left out of 9

guessing two draws and will try and win the 3rd.

Then this game is against the rules. It should be unrated.

It should be, but clearly it was an oversight because both players accepted the terms.

pfren

Obviously an oversight. They can either cancel it, or contact the site staff.

ponz111

Thank you.  Did not realize this was a rated game.  I will contact staff to see what to do now.

ponz111

I have not yet been in contact with ChessKingdreamer about this ituation.

 

However have contacted chess.com staff [Erik]  He suggests just to make a draw and then we have the option to restart.

In the game Black may have a very slight advantage but game headed for a draw. 

RubiksRevenge

Thanks for the games and analysis. I am quite thankful for the simple and efficient 5..Qe7 line that effectively deals to the Kieseritzky Gambit. I had previously only had the Berlin defence 5..Nf6 which leads to complicated play and some lines White can force a draw.

ChessinBlackandWhite
RubiksRevenge wrote:

Thanks for the games and analysis. I am quite thankful for the simple and efficient 5..Qe7 line that effectively deals to the Kieseritzky Gambit. I had previously only had the Berlin defence 5..Nf6 which leads to complicated play and some lines White can force a draw.

Yes I have already played the Qe7 line twice and am happy with it also. Is this a true innovation by you ponz?

ponz111
RubiksRevenge wrote:

Thanks for the games and analysis. I am quite thankful for the simple and efficient 5..Qe7 line that effectively deals to the Kieseritzky Gambit. I had previously only had the Berlin defence 5..Nf6 which leads to complicated play and some lines White can force a draw.


You are very welcome. The main thing about the 5 ,,,Qe7 line is that it is White who is fighting to draw and several ways White can go wrong.

pfren

Shaw is analysing 5...Qe7, and concludes Black is comfortably equal- while ponz111 thinks he actually is a bit more than that.

Shaw thinks 5...Nc6 is also very good for Black.

ponz111
pfren wrote:

Shaw is analysing 5...Qe7, and concludes Black is comfortably equal- while ponz111 thinks he actually is a bit more than that.

Shaw thinks 5...Nc6 is also very good for Black.

Here is my suggestion for best play after the 5. ...Nc6 line:



steve_bute
MichaelPorcelli wrote:

Yes I have already played the Qe7 line twice and am happy with it also. Is this a true innovation by you ponz?

Qe7 has been analyzed since (at least) the 1980's.

ponz111
steve_bute wrote:
MichaelPorcelli wrote:

Yes I have already played the Qe7 line twice and am happy with it also. Is this a true innovation by you ponz?

Qe7 has been analyzed since (at least) the 1980's.

I do not claim Qe7 is an innovation. This line and hundreds of other lines have been analyzed and analyzed and analyzed.  All I am suggesting is the line seems to be a good line out of thousands of possibilities.  The line has several ways White can go wrong and if White gets through the maze he will have a very slight disadvantage and  that is not something that is great for White. 

Also suggest the line is slightly better than how Shaw evaluates the line.

ponz111

This just in! a new result!  roi-gii  1/2  ponz 1/2

This was a very complicated game where Black probably had just a slight advantage until  White came up with the move 24. Kh1.  I had seen the move but could not prevent.

Here is the game. I am sure roi-gii will have his own comments:

steve_bute
ponz111 wrote:

This line and hundreds of other lines have been analyzed and analyzed and analyzed.

This is very true, and as made abundantly clear by Fischer's half-vast analysis of his "bust", new insights are found all the time. 5...Qe7 was stated to be a poor move in the 1980's by such players as Korchnoi and Christiansen (I would claim that these two epitomize the muck that chess books became), but now it is not clear at all that the move is poor.

pfren

Well, you can literally find dozens of variations in the King's Gambit where Black is comfortably equal. The real task is finding something where Black can have a meaningful positional advantage. So far, I have found nothing- but the closest candidate is the Modern Defence 1.e4 e5 2.f4?! d5 (2...ef4 3.Nf3 d5 etc) 3.de5 ef4! and so on. This is also equal, but it does require great accuracy by white.

ChessinBlackandWhite
pfren wrote:

Well, you can literally find dozens of variations in the King's Gambit where Black is comfortably equal. The real task is finding something where Black can have a meaningful positional advantage. So far, I have found nothing- but the closest candidate is the Modern Defence 1.e4 e5 2.f4?! d5 (2...ef4 3.Nf3 d5 etc) 3.de5 ef4! and so on. This is also equal, but it does require great accuracy by white.

I play the kings gambit otb at times, at my level would you say this is still dubius? My results are fine with it thus far