King's Gambit A Challenge From Ponz

It should be, but clearly it was an oversight because both players accepted the terms.

Thank you.  Did not realize this was a rated game.  I will contact staff to see what to do now.

I have not yet been in contact with ChessKingdreamer about this ituation.

However have contacted chess.com staff [Erik]  He suggests just to make a draw and then we have the option to restart.

In the game Black may have a very slight advantage but game headed for a draw. 

Thanks for the games and analysis. I am quite thankful for the simple and efficient 5..Qe7 line that effectively deals to the Kieseritzky Gambit. I had previously only had the Berlin defence 5..Nf6 which leads to complicated play and some lines White can force a draw.

Yes I have already played the Qe7 line twice and am happy with it also. Is this a true innovation by you ponz?

You are very welcome. The main thing about the 5 ,,,Qe7 line is that it is White who is fighting to draw and several ways White can go wrong.

Here is my suggestion for best play after the 5. ...Nc6 line:

Qe7 has been analyzed since (at least) the 1980's.

I do not claim Qe7 is an innovation. This line and hundreds of other lines have been analyzed and analyzed and analyzed.  All I am suggesting is the line seems to be a good line out of thousands of possibilities.  The line has several ways White can go wrong and if White gets through the maze he will have a very slight disadvantage and  that is not something that is great for White. 

Also suggest the line is slightly better than how Shaw evaluates the line.

This just in! a new result!  roi-gii  1/2  ponz 1/2

This was a very complicated game where Black probably had just a slight advantage until  White came up with the move 24. Kh1.  I had seen the move but could not prevent.

Here is the game. I am sure roi-gii will have his own comments:

This is very true, and as made abundantly clear by Fischer's half-vast analysis of his "bust", new insights are found all the time. 5...Qe7 was stated to be a poor move in the 1980's by such players as Korchnoi and Christiansen (I would claim that these two epitomize the muck that chess books became), but now it is not clear at all that the move is poor.

I play the kings gambit otb at times, at my level would you say this is still dubius? My results are fine with it thus far

My results as White are very good. I have never lost in CC play. But, here's the problem ... against players with poor knowledge of the KG I win (always), and against players with good knowledge I draw (almost always). That last observation is enough to question my use of it. Against 2300+ I found I simply could not win as White. I use the Goring now in CC.

No particular reason not to play the Kings Gambit as White.  However, I would suggest you do not play this line: 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4 because of the defense starting with 3. Bc4  Nc6  [as per many pages in the book by Shaw]

While I doubt its a true refutation, it does require white to be extremely accurate, and honestly I think his analysis if pretty darn good on it so I won't argue with him on that point too much.

The line 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4  is not "refuted" in that White should lose.  The line is just not a great line for White as very often Black can get a slight advantage and [as jetfighter 13 mentions--White has to be extremely accurate to avoid falling into a losing position]

yes that is true, but black also has to be careful, eg the two Short-Kasparov Games I listed in my research thread on the KG.

thanks roi  I think I will "retire" from these exhibitions.  The other one was when I played the black side of the Ponziani [my favorite opening].

I am glad you did not beat me or I would have had to give one of my poems!

Right now my score is 5 wins and 2 draws but here is the poem anyway!

The old gray ponz, he ain't what he used to be

ain't what he used to be--ain't what he used to be

He thought he would make like a bandit

and take on the Kings Gambit

He would grab the pawn

and his competence add on

to what end? A game drawn?

He had delusions of grandeur

that his play as a centaur

would run up a big score

 but his play was so poor

 he could use a public defender

In this kind of chess

he must confess

he was not a success...

Another result   ChessKingdreamer  1/2  ponz111 1/2

It turns out that [by mistake} this was set up as a rated game.  When this was discovered I contacted staff and he suggested to make the game a draw and then we would have the option of playing an unrated centaur game from the current postion.

My communications with ChessKingDreamer were not clear. In any event I  I made my 16th move and offtered a draw and he accepted which I think was a fair result.  He is the 2nd person not to lose to this sequence of moves:  1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf5  3. Nf3  g5

So 4 wins with this variation and 2 draws but oe game left with the variation.

Also, Luft Waffles drew against 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Nf3  d5  

There was one game with 1. e4  e5 2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4 where I gained only a very slight advantage but eventually won.

Here is the game with ChessKingdreamer vs ponz111

One game left and here are the moves so far:

RRM888 vs ponz111