King's Gambit with 2... f6

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Avatar of benedictus

Supposedly, after 1. e4, e5; 2. f4, f6; white crushes black with 3. fxe5, fxe5; 4. Qh5+

But check out a counter I made and let me know if it doesn't work.

I put in a couple variations to show what happens. If you have a suggestion for a move that white could make, let me know.

Avatar of tornadofdoom

Right after black pushes queen, white forgoes Nf3, instead going: Qh5+,...Qf7,Qxf7,...Kxf7 and black is in a much worse position, whith the lost castle and the suppressed knight. May I also add that after...Kxf7, fx6 and black is also down a pawn. I think the moral of the story it to never move the f6 pawn in the first place.

Avatar of Marty123

I have a question, what ifWhite does the Qh5+

1.e4 e5 2.f4 f6 3.fxe5 Qe7 4.Qh5+ g6 what do you suggest for White after ..g6 ?

Avatar of tornadofdoom

Marty:

Good point, didn't see that... I guess Qh5+ isn't really a choice then...I suppose you could swing it to f5, but then after a simple ...Nc6, whatever, ...e5, you're kind of screwed... Or you could just move it back to say, f3, take the loss in tempo, and then prey on a weakened castle position or at least pawn structure later on in the game.

Any other ideas? Maybe something along the lines of b3, in interest of Ba3? If possible, then maybe a bishop trade, followed by normal development.

In any case, I don't think I would make the move Nf3. Take my comments with your fair share of salt, these are opinions coming from a 1250 player.

Avatar of Marty123

Here is my suggestion for White. If anyone has anything better I am always open to correction.

1.e4 e5 2.f4 f6 3.fxe5 Qe7 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e6 if ..Qxe6 then Nc3 defending the pawn on d4. I think white has an enormous advantage. if ..dxe6, white plays d4 also with an huge advantage.

Avatar of moopster

don't do it. 

Avatar of BirdsDaWord

Another point to note is that White is not obliged to take the e pawn on move 3, but can also continue to develop normally...There is more than one way to walk down these paths!  Of course I know you are discussing the capture...

Avatar of TheOldReb

After 2.... f6 both 3 Bc4 and 3 f5 have scored 100% for white but very few games.....  3 fxe5 is played the most and scores 90% so whats the problem for white ? 

Avatar of benedictus

Marty: here's a game using your variation...

 

 

 

 

 

Libson: 3. fxe5 scores 90% for white because most people play 3... fxe5 instead of my new suggestion Qe7.

Avatar of Nytik

Qe7 is not a bad move, but it doesn't do a lot to help the position. Black probably has equal play.

Avatar of benedictus

After 4. d4 black should play 4... Nc6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Avatar of Nytik
benedictus wrote:

After 4. d4 black should play 4... Nc6

As you say, your last line also gives equality, so Nc6 cannot be considered superior to d6...

Avatar of ozzie_c_cobblepot

I would imagine that if I were a King's Gambit player that I would just ignore f6 and keep playing the regular King's Gambit moves. Bc4, Nf3, etc.

I also like the Nc3 idea after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 f6 3.fxe5 Qe7 4.Nc3

Avatar of benedictus

Yes, it seems that Nc3 goes to a fairly equal position, but that's ok since my main point is that black can defend himself well with 2... f6, 3. fxe5, Qe7, and that's been proven by showing that in most cases, black gets an advantage, andin others, the game is about equal.

Avatar of TheOldReb
benedictus wrote:

Marty: here's a game using your variation...

 

 

 

 

 

Libson: 3. fxe5 scores 90% for white because most people play 3... fxe5 instead of my new suggestion Qe7.


 Your "new suggestion" is known to theory but my database gives only 2 games with 3.... Qe7 , one won by white, the other by black and none of the players were titled players. The fact that no titled players seem willing to play this as black is pretty condemning imo.

Avatar of Barefoot_Player

Instead of 5.Qe2?! White could play 6.Be2. And if 6...Qxg2 then 7.e6+ followed by Bf3 and d4, in which case, White looks like he has the advantage.

 

Barefoot_Player

Avatar of Marty123

This is what makes Chess fun!

Avatar of gxtmf1

Screw all of those naysayers- the King's Gambit is about risk and ferocity! Development of a knight vs. that of a queen doesn't matter- development is development as long as tempo isn't lost. And this idea is also a perfect counter to 2. Nf3 (...f6 3. Nxe5!? ... Qe7 4. Nf3 ... d5 !? or !! as I like to write it, whether or not it's accurate).

Avatar of bluewoods
PS. This was in a game of mine I lost.

 
Avatar of obborg

Anything wrong with 3.Nf3?