Kings Indian but white plays e5 early?!
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Hello chess community, I'm trying to get a grasp on some opening theory as new player at about an 1000 level. Trying to play the KID is proving to be tough at this level because white seems to play e5?! within 2-5 moves into every game.. this pressures my knight on f6 and I'm immediately lost. How does black punish or at least counter pawn e5 to a favorable position???
Thanks. I've walked thought the analysis myself a few times. The queen trade doesn't seem to help black but definitely not hurting. maybe its very strong could you explain? Also returning the Knight back to its starting square seems very counter productive and against basic opening principles nor is it a redirect but it's recommend by the opening book? I like this scenario where we wait till the 5th move for white to play E5. however in reality it seems to be happening more around the second, third and fourth move before black can fully get set up.
Nov 26, 2020
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#5
Blueemu, a far more realistic scenario of White playing 5.e5 is after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 O-O (This move is possible as 5.e5 is not good, but Black has to know the response like the back of his hand or he will be worse - if he knows the entire line, it's advantage black!) and now 5.e5?!
bluemu fork is never available....7.Nxd1
When White plays e4 you should play d6 to discourage the e4-e5 advance from White. White may still try to force e5 but this shouldn't worry you as White's center becomes very unstable after this. @blueemu showed one line where White is punished after an early e5.
Here is another common way White goes wrong:
I'm seeing it now. If white has e5 available it's no stress for black as long as black had already played d6 or plays d6. I was getting caught running around with my knight because I hadn't played d6 yet. Now I realize you have to change the order of the first 3 in moves in the KID depending on how white moves..very basic answer really. I wanna say I got bad advice on " you must play in this order 1. e4 Nf6 " but I made that up lol 1.e4 d6 would be wiser . thanks
9 days ago
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#10
ThrillerFan wrote:
Blueemu, a far more realistic scenario of White playing 5.e5 is after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 O-O (This move is possible as 5.e5 is not good, but Black has to know the response like the back of his hand or he will be worse - if he knows the entire line, it's advantage black!) and now 5.e5?!
Black can play this way, but why would you give yourself extra possibilities to worry about? I could learn the refutation (and then periodically brush up on it), or I could spend that time keeping ahead of all the ways White can still try to murder me in the main lines.
If this is what you're facing, OP, then the simple answer is to answer e4 with d6. But if you're worried about situations where White pushes e5 despite your playing d6, then yes, trade pawns and then trade queens, and Black should be doing better. You're better developed, and White's center is already crumbling.
9 days ago
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#11
Most times, I hold off playing e5 until around moves 9-11 and usually when playing the 4 pawns attack, most times in conjunction with d5. Polgar had a game where she played 10. Ne5 that I got to play against a guy from the UK many years ago but it was more a novelty than anything else. If White plays the early e5, he runs the risk of losing his Queen and castling rights and gives Black a free hand in the game.
