Kings Indian Defence Forum

Haven't faced it often, but Black has a number of ideas.

Posting the b1-Knight at c5, in conjunction with a7-a5 to discourage b2-b4, is one idea.

Playing Nf6-h5 is another idea, to be followed by an early f7-f5 or by Nh5-f4. This shifts the action towards the White King instead of allowing White to play as he wishes on the Q-side.

Fischer has faced the Petrosian System several times. Tal beat him with it, but Fischer was a teenager and Tal was invincible that year, so he would probably have won regardless of the opening line.

Olaffson vs Fischer 0-1 : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1043998

Tal vs Fischer 1-0 : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044504

Tal vs Fishcer 1-0 : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044505

Wexler vs Fischer 0-1 : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008392

Tolush vs Bronstein 0-1 : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1871040

Hmm... the game v Wexler and the Bronstein game are genius. ChessGames have much improved their site. A good idea might be to go through a heap of KID games on there, learn common themes.

Try Zita vs Bronstein. It's a KID by transposition.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1033635

While there are articles by others as well, and while half of what I write is typically on the French, if you go to www.charlottechesscenter.org, click on blog, and go to the article from April 19th - Errors in the opening part 3 - You will find a heavily annotated King's Indian there.

@Optimissed... i was more referring to the previous season... which qualified for this seasons UCL? In the good ol days Man City, champion then as well... would have been the only english team to qualify, despite the fact i don't like them... i like the classic idea of champions only? UCL is a stronger tournament... but you can get a scenario where a team finish 3rd or 4th in domestic league... but then win world's most prestigious Cup. Lion don't like that so much.

Wait a moment... some expert said pretty much the opposite?! As in bishop on g7 being the jewel in the crown... that one must keep, and wait for the chance? And the c8 bishop is probably the Worst minor piece, a nightmare to develop. If White can exchange the K side bishop... resulting pawn structure is very weak? Lion is confused.

@Optimissed... do you know how to post a diagram? Might clarify things... i don't know how to post a game either.

What is confusing about it? Lion spins wheels for years while people learning chess move ahead.

Of course, Petrosian played the KID because he read some website or read a book by some random guy called Nunn....or he should have  done that instead of learning chess....and thus resulting in treating all openings "flippantly"...per kindaspongey and Gibbins....thats FM Giddins .

Depends on the line that is played.

In the Classical Mar Del Plata, Black's DSB is garbage and mostly plays the role of guarding the d6 pawn and the LSB is Blacks most important piece and Black will give up his Rook on a8 for a Knight on a7 just to preserve it and use it to sacrifice on h3.

In others lines of a more open nature, such as lines where Black plays exd4 or saemisch lines with ...e4 and ...Nf4, often Black is giving up a pawn to open the g7 bishop.  Many of these open lines Black does not have a good square for the LSB and it will often trade itself off for a Knight on f3 to gain control of d4.

So it depends on the line.  You can't make such a blanket statement covering the entirety of the KID and be telling the truth.

The British GM Nunn also was a virtuoso of the KID. Watch this!

A crazy game. The move Qf8! was a monster.

Well... somebody on the IQ thread said John Nunn was a genius... i think that game kind of confirms that, yes?!

@bluemu... as our resident KID expert, unless pfren show up... can you confirm that in Most variation... one wants to keep the g7 bishop as long as possible? For two reason,

While fairly useless in the opening, as the game open up that bishop should become very strong.

If White can exchange his Q bishop for the g7 bishop... the resulting pawn structure is quite weak... and vulnerable to a pawn storm?

Speaking of Mar del Plata...

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044673&kpage=1

instead of some waffle, several links, just on chess.com...

https://www.chess.com/article/view/an-examination-of-the-mar-del-plata-with-9ne8

https://www.chess.com/article/view/karpov-versus-kasparov-and-the-kings-indian-defense

https://www.chess.com/article/view/bobby-fischer-and-the-kings-indian-defense

I could add video series but i let u search...

Well... i did say Most variation? MD Plata is very famous... but is one of many dozen lines. Expert that said was an IM?! Keep the g7 bishop because...

Will become very strong as the game open up

And if White gets that bishop... the king is very vulnerable, because of the gap left

Is not Lion saying so... is an IM player, on this very site?!

So all you just did is confirm my post 37.  I refer you back to that.  It wasn't some random statement out of the blue.  It's only the main defense that I have played against 1.d4 in over the board tournaments on and off over the last 15 years, and the only opening I can claim to have played longer is the French.  So maybe go back to post 37 and stop believing the BS that the DSB must be the best or the worst piece after 5 moves, and realize that different variations have different fates for the DSB.  You can't even generalize if it is good or bad in the fianchetto variations as there are lines within the fianchetto KID where the DSB is great and others where it is a tall pawn.

Indeed, the fate of the DSB is not to be decided so early. Actually, I say that even in variations where the DSB is known to be rather buried, in the right hands, it can be activated aggressively (with some sort of sacrifice) later into the middlegame.

Some KID practitioners are very well capable of sacrificing a pawn to activate it on the long diagonal for play. An example game would be Wang Yue - Teimour Radjabov Wijk aan Zee 2009 on move 26...e4!! where there is compensation for the sacrificed pawn in the bishop's strong control over the long diagonal.

So Lion is right then... most variation you want to keep the g7 bishop... because will get stronger... and if the bishop is exchanged the king is vulnerable? No offence guys... i take the word of an IM over club player. 

Well dear boy... i did say Most variations. 

Of course the KID experts on here... are more than welcome to follow bluemu, and post their finest games.

A KID player should be creative and know that a single plan will not work all the time (I mean, its chess). It is not good to play to the stereotypes of an opening variation - sometimes, play can resemble that of the Benoni or the Benko. When one plays chess - be adaptable! Play chess, not just openings!

Here is an example game in the Mar del Plata, bayonet attack where black activates the DSB with p o w e r. Not my game!!! its Loek van Wely vs Daniel Stellwagen