King's Indian Vs. Nimzo Indian

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SuirenBoid

I just do not get it at all, could you please point out the similarities as I see no similar pawn breaks, strategies. A colour complex is strategical not tactical per se 

X_PLAYER_J_X
SuirenBoid wrote:

I just do not get it at all, could you please point out the similarities as I see no similar pawn breaks, strategies. A colour complex is strategical not tactical per se 

Don't listen to them. They are wrong! They are telling you incorrect information.

The pawn structure between the French Defense & Kings Indian Defense will never be the same.

Justs99171
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
SuirenBoid wrote:

I just do not get it at all, could you please point out the similarities as I see no similar pawn breaks, strategies. A colour complex is strategical not tactical per se 

Don't listen to them. They are wrong! They are telling you incorrect information.

The pawn structure between the French Defense & Kings Indian Defense will never be the same.

No body said the pawn structures are the same. I said both openings lead to middle games with pawn chains and so the resulting middle games involve pawn chain strategy.

X_PLAYER_J_X
Justs99171 wrote:

No body said the pawn structures are the same. I said both openings lead to middle games with pawn chains and so the resulting middle games involve pawn chain strategy.

Yes, Your statement is competely irrelevant.

Furthermore, You shouldn't say such statements because it will only misinform & confuse people.

If your only similarity between the KID & the French is their middle game pawn chain strategy than your statement is moronic.

The reason why is because all openings have middle game pawn chain strategy.

Which means your comparision of the 2 openings isn't mutually exclusive to only the French or the KID making your statement about them rather pointless.

 


 

It is like saying the French Defense & the KID are both similar because they both start the game off with a Queen on the board.

All openings start the game off with a Queen on the board?

Having the Queen on the board isn't mututally exclusive to only the French & KID.

Its a moronic statement which will only confuse people.

benonidoni
ipcress12 wrote:

Judging by the efforts of some White 1.d4 players to avoid the Nimzo and current database statistics favoring the Nimzo (CB w/ 2014 DB gives White 55.9% over 51.0% for KID vs Nimzo) one could say the Nimzo is a stronger defense than the KID.

However, so much depends on the players and circumstances involved, I would avoid categorical claims.

Furthermore, I doubt these issues have much bearing on class play. Speaking for myself, I have found it hard to get a Nimzo, since my White 1,d4 opponents often head off into London/Tromp/Veresov/Colle lines. Which I find annoying, so I switched to the Dutch since it synergizes with the French.

Maybe when I get stronger and face opponents who use more mainline openings, I'll return to the Nimzo. I liked what I saw when I studied it.

I also try to avoid players similar to you by playing D4, NF6, C4, E6, then G3 into a Catalan.

Justs99171
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
Justs99171 wrote:

No body said the pawn structures are the same. I said both openings lead to middle games with pawn chains and so the resulting middle games involve pawn chain strategy.

Yes, Your statement is competely irrelevant.

Furthermore, You shouldn't say such statements because it will only misinform & confuse people.

If your only similarity between the KID & the French is their middle game pawn chain strategy than your statement is moronic.

The reason why is because all openings have middle game pawn chain strategy.

Which means your comparision of the 2 openings isn't mutually exclusive to only the French or the KID making your statement about them rather pointless.

 


 

It is like saying the French Defense & the KID are both similar because they both start the game off with a Queen on the board.

All openings start the game off with a Queen on the board?

Having the Queen on the board isn't mututally exclusive to only the French & KID.

Its a moronic statement which will only confuse people.

You are an idiot. Most openings don't reach middle game positions with pawn chains. I don't think you even know what a pawn chain is.

blunderking2

Larry Kaufman in his series, "The Chess Advantage in Black & White" came up with a brilliant means of determining the strength of an opening. It is based on rating points advantage for black or white that any opening provides vs par (the standard advantage for white). Long before the current craze of the open Ruy, he was recommending it. Since he is also the brain behind some of the world's best chess engines his system is worth a look. 

agisdon

Do you have that book? How does it work?

JuergenWerner
chesster3145 wrote:

Sred wrote:

KID has often been played by Kasparov, Nimzo-Indian has been played by Karpov. This could be a hint.

Not really. You forgot to mention that the Nimzo-Indian has been played by every WC since Capablanca. In other words, the Nimzo has been respected practically from the beginning.

In Germany it's called Nimzowitsch instead of Nimzo-Indian

Khanusman0

king gambet opening

Khanusman0

king gambet opening

X_PLAYER_J_X
Justs99171 wrote:

You are an idiot. Most openings don't reach middle game positions with pawn chains. I don't think you even know what a pawn chain is.

 

Please tell us what a Pawn Chain is with all of your years of experience!

I am such an idiot!

I thought the Slav Defense played by millions of people around the world on a daily bases has a pawn chain?



ipcress12
benonidoni wrote:
ipcress12 wrote:

Judging by the efforts of some White 1.d4 players to avoid the Nimzo and current database statistics favoring the Nimzo (CB w/ 2014 DB gives White 55.9% over 51.0% for KID vs Nimzo) one could say the Nimzo is a stronger defense than the KID.

However, so much depends on the players and circumstances involved, I would avoid categorical claims.

Furthermore, I doubt these issues have much bearing on class play. Speaking for myself, I have found it hard to get a Nimzo, since my White 1,d4 opponents often head off into London/Tromp/Veresov/Colle lines. Which I find annoying, so I switched to the Dutch since it synergizes with the French.

Maybe when I get stronger and face opponents who use more mainline openings, I'll return to the Nimzo. I liked what I saw when I studied it.

I also try to avoid players similar to you by playing D4, NF6, C4, E6, then G3 into a Catalan.

How is that a problem for me? As I said, I'm a French/Dutch player, which means I would play: 1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. g3 or whatever and we're into standard Dutch lines.

Justs99171
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
Justs99171 wrote:

You are an idiot. Most openings don't reach middle game positions with pawn chains. I don't think you even know what a pawn chain is.

 

 

Please tell us what a Pawn Chain is with all of your years of experience!

I am such an idiot!

I thought the Slav Defense played by millions of people around the world on a daily bases has a pawn chain?

 



No, that is not a pawn chain. I rest my case.

Justs99171

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Justs99171
indiaonsicily

Anyway if you want to play the Nimzo you have to learn the theory of Catalan and QID/Benoni 

agisdon

Why fight over kings indian or nimzo if u can just play the tango! 1. d4 nf6 2. c4 nc6!

testaaaaa

Kasparow said that today he would play something more open then the KID f.e Grunfeld.

The Kid has vanished a bit since Kasparow and i cant recall seeing it at the world championships.

Every top player do respect the nimzo though, a lot of them not even allowing it as white with Nf3.