Learning 1.e4 e5 thoroughly

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I think it was called Hits. My best friend loaned it to me. Well former best friend.

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XPLAYERJX wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Leonardo's story is a fascinating one. He rescued his brother from pirates by playing chess. Not only did he earn back the ransom he took with him, but he increased his earnings betting with the pirate captain. Then, he went to Spain to get his revenge on Lopez.

Yes I never dug deep into his back story that much. I was amused at his effort to try and get revenge lol on Lopez.

I honestly don't even know how his brother got captured or any of that. It is very interesting to say the least though. Saving his family member by a chess game. I guess that is what they mean by Sudden death chess match lol.

You posted the story. It's in the bottom image of post 261. That image is of a page in J.H. Sarratt, The Works of Damiano, Ruy-Lopez, and Salvio on the Game of Chess (1813).

It was referenced by jlconn early in this thread, but jlconn incorrectly attributed authorship to W. Lewis, who was Sarratt's student. Lewis wrote a similar work: Gioachino Greco on the Game of Chess (1819). Both works are readily available through Google Books and the Internet Archive. Sarratt's book is also available through a print on demand service through Amazon, as well as in an inexpensive Kindle version.

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Chessexplained has comprehensive youtube tutorial on 1.e4 e5 as black......now just to find 1.e4 tutorial as white lol

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Chicken_Monster wrote:

There is some very good advice in the thread; one must sift through the thread and take out the useful nuggets.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are trying to convey to me. What are you trying to say, exactly?

I'm glad that you got something useful from all this.
I'm trying to say that if you had responded to Reb's first comment in a certain way, you could've gotten a very good answer from him (or someone else) right away.
Tbh, when I saw the title of the thread I was thinking "oh wow an ambitious player, must check out what he's all about" , but as I read through comment after comment I found that you struggled to get the response you searched for, not because no one was able to give it to you, but because of your own lack of social skills and the way you probably allready had visualized what a "good" answer should look like. Now please, I'm not trying to attack you here. I'm just trying to help you get good answers more efficiently than achieved within the first 5 pages of this thread (sorry, I have not read all of it, have been working all day). 
Next time, skip the sarcasm and the other accusations of all sorts and just focus on the subject and keep on digging after those nuggest. Good luck to you! 

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roder_toro wrote:

Chessexplained has comprehensive youtube tutorial on 1.e4 e5 as black......now just to find 1.e4 tutorial as white lol

Where is this specific tutorial to which you are referring?

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Ziryab wrote:
 

Leonardo's story is a fascinating one. He rescued his brother from pirates by playing chess. Not only did he earn back the ransom he took with him, but he increased his earnings betting with the pirate captain. Then, he went to Spain to get his revenge on Lopez.

That sounds like baloney. Gotta be fiction.

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VerySneaky wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:

There is some very good advice in the thread; one must sift through the thread and take out the useful nuggets.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are trying to convey to me. What are you trying to say, exactly?

I'm glad that you got something useful from all this.
I'm trying to say that if you had responded to Reb's first comment in a certain way, you could've gotten a very good answer from him (or someone else) right away.
Tbh, when I saw the title of the thread I was thinking "oh wow an ambitious player, must check out what he's all about" , but as I read through comment after comment I found that you struggled to get the response you searched for, not because no one was able to give it to you, but because of your own lack of social skills and the way you probably allready had visualized what a "good" answer should look like. Now please, I'm not trying to attack you here. I'm just trying to help you get good answers more efficiently than achieved within the first 5 pages of this thread (sorry, I have not read all of it, have been working all day). 
Next time, skip the sarcasm and the other accusations of all sorts and just focus on the subject and keep on digging after those nuggest. Good luck to you! 

I can't control you, National Masters, Grand Poohahs, or anyone else. I am definitely  extremely interested in anything someone of NM Reb's chess prowess has to say that is on point regarding 1.e4 e5. There are other threads on how to study in general, how much time to spend studying, blah blah blah.

It's a shame that people who have so much to offer would rather spend their time trying to get me into useless exchanges that are not pertinent to my question. I finally did get some very useful information after a lot of back-and-forth antics.

You are insulting me. You are attacking me in a passive-aggressive way. You might want to read the initial responses written to me again, and the ENTIRE thread. Your reading comprehension is what is lacking, Mr. Wise Owl. Lack of social skills (to put it mildly) have been displayed in this thread, but certainly not on my part. I don't appreciate the insult. This thread is, in large part, personal attacks on people. People are making fun of each other, resulting in people blocking others. Read it.

Do you have nothing better to do than waste time lecturing me? Why do you care? Why don't you either answer my specific question (as some nice people have done), go study chess, spend time with your significant other on V-Day, let me read USEFUL RESPONSES THAT ARE RELEVANT, HELPFUL, AND NICE, and stop wasting my time with responses that do not answer how to learn 1.e4 e5?

I only want to read posts related to 1.e4 e5 and the learning thereof. History of the same is fine too. Do you have a problem with that? If so, this is the wrong thread for you. You are wasting your time and mine.

Any advice specifically about 1.e4 e5 that has not already been given? That's all I want to hear out of you. Otherwise please post in a different thread. Please don't keep wasting time making me respond to your attacks on my social skills.

Thanks for your attention to this. I'm sure you will ignore it. Laughing

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One last piece of advice, which echoes Reb's earlier advice:

Stop looking for answers on how to improve in chess.com forums and start spending serious quality and quantity time analyzing chess games.

That includes well-annotated games of the past and your own games.

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Chicken_Monster wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
 

Leonardo's story is a fascinating one. He rescued his brother from pirates by playing chess. Not only did he earn back the ransom he took with him, but he increased his earnings betting with the pirate captain. Then, he went to Spain to get his revenge on Lopez.

That sounds like baloney. Gotta be fiction.

The more you learn about sixteenth century piracy in the Mediterranean and Atlantic, the more normal the story seems. 

The story struck me as quite incredible when I first read it several years ago. After immersing myself in sixteenth century histories through most of 2014, the story seems far less novel. This reading was part of my preparation to teach Atlantic History, which I taught last fall.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

One last piece of advice, which echoes Reb's earlier advice:

 

Stop looking for answers on how to improve in chess.com forums and start spending serious quality and quantity time analyzing chess games.

Regarding reading the forums: No. Stop telling me to do that. You are wasting your time. I will continue to look for answers in chess forums. Do you have a problem with that? If so, see a therapist.

Yes to the part about ananlyzing games of my own and well-annoated games of the past. That part I will do. That is good advice.

That includes well-annotated games of the past and your own games.

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Ziryab wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
 

Leonardo's story is a fascinating one. He rescued his brother from pirates by playing chess. Not only did he earn back the ransom he took with him, but he increased his earnings betting with the pirate captain. Then, he went to Spain to get his revenge on Lopez.

That sounds like baloney. Gotta be fiction.

The more you learn about sixteenth century piracy in the Mediterranean and Atlantic, the more normal the story seems. 

The story struck me as quite incredible when I first read it several years ago. After immersing myself in sixteenth century histories through most of 2014, the story seems far less novel. This reading was part of my preparation to teach Atlantic History, which I taught last fall.

That is hard to believe. It could be true...I just find that VERY hard to swallow. I guess we'll never know for sure. Good story nonetheless.

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@Chicken_Monster- I did not go through and read all the previous 284 posts, so these suggestions may have been made already.

1. Go to Learn > Chess Mentor! Do a broad search on openings courses and there you will find a wide range of instruction, and answers to many of your questions.

2. Go to Learn > Study Plans! There is a comprehensive amount of material there. Start at the Beginner's Section, and work from there. If you are serious about this endeavor, you will not skip anything, and will work through each element of the study plans.

Take advantage of your premium membership and enjoy.

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v3rb4lkiNt wrote:

@Chicken_Monster- I did not go through and read all the previous 284 posts, so these suggestions may have been made already.

1. Go to Learn > Chess Mentor! Do a broad search on openings courses and there you will find a wide range of instruction, and answers to many of your questions.

2. Go to Learn > Study Plans! There is a comprehensive amount of material there. Start at the Beginner's Section, and work from there. If you are serious about this endeavor, you will not skip anything, and will work through each element of the study plans.

Take advantage of your premium membership and enjoy.

I live by the Study Plan. I follow it to the letter, and do a little every day. Every day I play games, do Tactics Trainer (unrated - untimed), do whatever is in the Study Plan (e.g., Chess Mentor etc.), and try to do a little studying of a chess book. I also use ChessTempo every day for tactics and endgame study.

What part of it teaches you about responding to 1.e4 with 1...e5? I haven't come to that part yet.

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@kdy_native

Well said. e4 e5 is mostly endgame.

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French often leads to endgame battles. I worked on some of the Dvoretsky stuff with a former 2300+....that was helpful...I need a lot of work on endgames.

Why is e4 e5 mostly endgame? Are you playing the Berlin Wall and exchanging Queens early?

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Chicken_Monster wrote:
v3rb4lkiNt wrote:

@Chicken_Monster- I did not go through and read all the previous 284 posts, so these suggestions may have been made already.

1. Go to Learn > Chess Mentor! Do a broad search on openings courses and there you will find a wide range of instruction, and answers to many of your questions.

2. Go to Learn > Study Plans! There is a comprehensive amount of material there. Start at the Beginner's Section, and work from there. If you are serious about this endeavor, you will not skip anything, and will work through each element of the study plans.

Take advantage of your premium membership and enjoy.

I live by the Study Plan. I follow it to the letter, and do a little every day. Every day I play games, do Tactics Trainer (unrated - untimed), do whatever is in the Study Plan (e.g., Chess Mentor etc.), and try to do a little studying of a chess book. I also use ChessTempo every day for tactics and endgame study.

What part of it teaches you about responding to 1.e4 with 1...e5? I haven't come to that part yet.

You mentioned Chernev, Logical Chess. THAT part!

In the past year, I have played through at least 800 complete games,* including every available game played by Charousek, half of Alexander McDonnell's, 1/4 of Morphy's, most of the games in Chess Informant 113, and countless games in openings that I am playing in correspondence chess.

 

 

*This estimate is low.

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Where do you get the annoated games by Charousek, McDonnell, Morphy et al. on Chess Informant etc.? Is this something that requires a subscription?

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Ziryab wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:
v3rb4lkiNt wrote:

@Chicken_Monster- I did not go through and read all the previous 284 posts, so these suggestions may have been made already.

1. Go to Learn > Chess Mentor! Do a broad search on openings courses and there you will find a wide range of instruction, and answers to many of your questions.

2. Go to Learn > Study Plans! There is a comprehensive amount of material there. Start at the Beginner's Section, and work from there. If you are serious about this endeavor, you will not skip anything, and will work through each element of the study plans.

Take advantage of your premium membership and enjoy.

I live by the Study Plan. I follow it to the letter, and do a little every day. Every day I play games, do Tactics Trainer (unrated - untimed), do whatever is in the Study Plan (e.g., Chess Mentor etc.), and try to do a little studying of a chess book. I also use ChessTempo every day for tactics and endgame study.

What part of it teaches you about responding to 1.e4 with 1...e5? I haven't come to that part yet.

You mentioned Chernev, Logical Chess. THAT part!

In the past year, I have played through at least 800 complete games,* including every available game played by Charousek, half of Alexander McDonnell's, 1/4 of Morphy's, most of the games in Chess Informant 113, and countless games in openings that I am playing in correspondence chess.

 

 

*This estimate is low.

No, I mean what part of the STUDY PLAN teaches e4 e5 - it was directed to v3rb4lkiNt or anyone else who uses the Study Plan on a regular basis. I already know about Chernev as I am the one who mentioned the book, which is right here to be read after a tactics book.

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Chernev's analysis is not the greatest. Yeah, many US masters of a certain age used Chernev. When you think of it that way, it's not such a ringing endorsement.  

Go to your local library and check out Kasparov on My Great Predecessors. Start with volume 1. That will probably take ~4 months to really digest. 

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Chicken_Monster wrote:
v3rb4lkiNt wrote:

@Chicken_Monster- I did not go through and read all the previous 284 posts, so these suggestions may have been made already.

1. Go to Learn > Chess Mentor! Do a broad search on openings courses and there you will find a wide range of instruction, and answers to many of your questions.

2. Go to Learn > Study Plans! There is a comprehensive amount of material there. Start at the Beginner's Section, and work from there. If you are serious about this endeavor, you will not skip anything, and will work through each element of the study plans.

Take advantage of your premium membership and enjoy.

I live by the Study Plan. I follow it to the letter, and do a little every day. Every day I play games, do Tactics Trainer (unrated - untimed), do whatever is in the Study Plan (e.g., Chess Mentor etc.), and try to do a little studying of a chess book. I also use ChessTempo every day for tactics and endgame study.

What part of it teaches you about responding to 1.e4 with 1...e5? I haven't come to that part yet.

#1 suggestion was Chess Mentor where there are courses and lessons specific to 1.e4 e5 or are very close. To assist you in your quest I did a quick search and found four courses that fall into the exact or very close category:

  • "First Chess Openings for Black," by FM Eric Schiller (I believe these are all 1.e4 e5)
  • "First Chess Openings for White," by FM Eric Schiller (Many are 1.e4 e5)
  • "A Kaleidescope of Openings," by IM John Grefe (A compilation of the basics for many, many openings, including 1.e4 e5)
  • "Now What?," by Jeremy Silman (opening principles for any opening)

#2 suggestion was following a study plan, which provides a broad, systematic approach to improving your game. Good to hear you're following a plan. Where are you at with that process?

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