Best game ever that featured the London System, and it goes to prove that the London System can not be used as a "catch-all" opening against everything. It fails miserably against the Modern Defense.
McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966 - You can find it on database.chessbase.com for sure, and I'll bet it's in other databases too! Nice Bishop White has there on h2 - LOL!
What does a Reverse Sicilian got to do with the London System or Stonewall (no clarity whether he means the Attack, which is weak, or the variation of the Dutch).
The game I listed is a London System played against the Modern Defense and White gets ROASTED!
No, and eliminating the Dark-Squared Bishop is the worst thing you can do!
That's White's Bad Bishop. It may be active, but it's still bad. Why trade it?
The Modern Defense is 1...g6 and 2...Bg7 without an early development of the Knight to f6.
The line that busts the London is 1.d4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.Bf4 d6 4.e3 Nc6 (or 4...Nd7) 5.h3 e5! and now:
6.dxe5 dxe5 7.Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5? is a typical beginner mistake, as after 8...f6! (Black can resolve his bishop issues easily - ...Bf8, now it's a good Bishop!) 9.Bh4 and the Bishop is worse off than it would have been had White played the correct 6.Bg3.
White's Bishop is basically out of the game for a very long time, you don't ever trade for it as you are "virtually" playing up a piece with his DSB being no good, and Black gets a small advantage as early as move 5 to 10.
Again, I am going to reference you to McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966. Go to a database and look at that game. It's not long - somewhere in the low 30s for moves if memory serves me right.
Best game ever that featured the London System, and it goes to prove that the London System can not be used as a "catch-all" opening against everything. It fails miserably against the Modern Defense.
McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966 - You can find it on database.chessbase.com for sure, and I'll bet it's in other databases too! Nice Bishop White has there on h2 - LOL!
Thank for the heads up. Really informative site.
Best game ever that featured the London System, and it goes to prove that the London System can not be used as a "catch-all" opening against everything. It fails miserably against the Modern Defense.
McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966 - You can find it on database.chessbase.com for sure, and I'll bet it's in other databases too! Nice Bishop White has there on h2 - LOL!
Maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing this game on chessbase's database, or chessgames.com, or my own personal database.
If there is any good stonewall games that anyones has is grealy appreciated.
Some world class players winning with the London System...
https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-london-system-an-opening-for-you
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1023280
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1023278
I don't really know much about the London System but if you want some good games on it I would look at Gata Kamsky's games. His pet line is the London and I bet he has some good games on it.
Best game ever that featured the London System, and it goes to prove that the London System can not be used as a "catch-all" opening against everything. It fails miserably against the Modern Defense.
McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966 - You can find it on database.chessbase.com for sure, and I'll bet it's in other databases too! Nice Bishop White has there on h2 - LOL!
Man, you're full of yourself, no? Every thread that even mentions opening theory, you're always pushing your pro-opening theory cause and rejecting "basic" systems such as the london any chance you get. One game does not prove that one opening doesn't work against another. Players make mistakes.
I agree with ace_mar, btw. Gata's a good source, and certainly better than some 2150 who seems to think he knows everything there is to know about how to play chess.
No, and eliminating the Dark-Squared Bishop is the worst thing you can do!
That's White's Bad Bishop. It may be active, but it's still bad. Why trade it?
The Modern Defense is 1...g6 and 2...Bg7 without an early development of the Knight to f6.
The line that busts the London is 1.d4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.Bf4 d6 4.e3 Nc6 (or 4...Nd7) 5.h3 e5! and now:
6.dxe5 dxe5 7.Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5? is a typical beginner mistake, as after 8...f6! (Black can resolve his bishop issues easily - ...Bf8, now it's a good Bishop!) 9.Bh4 and the Bishop is worse off than it would have been had White played the correct 6.Bg3.
White's Bishop is basically out of the game for a very long time, you don't ever trade for it as you are "virtually" playing up a piece with his DSB being no good, and Black gets a small advantage as early as move 5 to 10.
Again, I am going to reference you to McAlpine - Suttles, Havana 1966. Go to a database and look at that game. It's not long - somewhere in the low 30s for moves if memory serves me right.
Oh, and in addition to what I already said, playing h3 at that point is not at all needed, so white can just play simply with Bc4, where white is slightly better.
Not really sure why you would take a game from a 1900 in 1966 as proof that a system is busted.
lol
OH NO, WHITE IS LOST, HE HAS A BAD BISHOP, BE CAREFUL, BLACK HAS A FORCED WIN!!!!
How is it that? I thought white had a forced win for moving first! How did he spoil it?
Pakleza, Zbigniew (2411) vs. Chatalbashev, Boris (2507)
Nice game by White there. Clean and simple technique, picking Black's position apart little by little.
Could someone please post some good games for the London system. And also some for the stonewall.
Thanks
Varun