Looking for a reply to 1. c4 that I can use

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Anyone thought of b5!...? It's called the Jaenisch Gambit....and it isn't perfectly silly. It scores quite well too. Has an element of surprise and can bring about a lead in development. That's all I'm saying. Feedback is welcome :)

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There are a few people here who really believe in and love to play teh Jaenisch gambit.  I've only had limited experience with it, and always from the white side, but I think it's harmless and plays into exactly the kind of game I like to have as white.

 

Edit:  If you want to look for any info on the Jaenisch gambit, you may have better luck looking under "halibut gambit"

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Pikachulord6 wrote:

Yes, I need to find a reasonable response to 1. c4 that I can use all the time. Now, before you start suggesting moves, I should mention that there are a few prerequisistes:

I do not like openings with lots of analyzed theory and long opening lines. (so that means no Reverse Sicilian or Symmetrical English)

It needs to be perfectly sound. It can be risky or even unorthodox, but it can't be something completely silly.

If possible, I would like an opening that can be considered "counter-punching" or tactically sharp. For reference, other openings I like include Alekhine's Defense and the Chigorin Defense.

Thank you in advance for helping me! In case you're wondering, my current reply is 1...b6 (Is this the English Defense?).


I have been using 1. c4 recently (unsuccessfully). If you want a game to practice a response to it, I would happily send you a challenge.

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How bout the Anglo-Dutch System? Or you can go for a KID setup. If you choose Anglo-Dutch vs. c4 and your opponent plays an early d4, then it will transpose to a Leningrad Dutch, so know the lines in here as well...And yea, like Laskerfan said, Black's move order isn't really dependant on white's moves too much except for the exception he gave.

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@rednblack: I have not had too much of an opportunity to even play against 1. c4, but as far as OTB goes, I have a friend who always uses it.  I won the only game that I used 1…b6 against him (the game finished 2. Nc3 Bb7 3. d3 e6 4. Bd2 Nf6 5. e3 c5 6. Nf3 d5 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 exd5 9. Be2 Bd6 10. O-O h6 11. Rc1 Nd7 12. d4 O-O 13. dxc5 Nxc5 14. Bb4 Rc8 15. Bxc5 bxc5 16. Qa4 Qb6 17. Qb5 Qxb5 18. Bxb5 a6 19. Be2 Rfe8 20. Rfd1 d4 21. h3 Bb8 22. Kf1 dxe3 23. fxe3 Rxe3 24. Kf2 Ree8 25. Rd7 Bxf3 26. gxf3 a5 27. Rd5 Red8 28. Rdxc5 Rxc5 30. Rxc5 Ba7 31. Ke1 Bxc5 0-1).  As you can see, it was a very close game until the end when I stumbled upon a tactical opportunity.  I actually don’t think that I have faced 1. c4 on chess.com (I need to check my games archive on that one).

 

@LazyPig83: Sure. Send me the challenge and I’ll start when I can. I prefer a 3-day-per-move or more time control only because I worry about not being able to access Internet on some days.  I usually move once every day.

 

@turn: I believe I have heard of the Jaenisch Gambit before, but it looks really scary to me (if I’m playing the Black pieces in that situation). I’ll take a look into it (maybe I will use it as the rare surprise weapon), but I don’t think that I have the courage to play that move.

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Well, it isn't everyday you see the English, so you shouldn't be in too much of a problem. If you like, I could play the English and you try out the Jaensich, or Halibut Gambit, unrated. After all, we're here to help and improve our game together!

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@turn: Thanks for the offer, but I'm not too interested in the Jaenisch Gambit. I mean, it's not bad or anything, but I don't like playing a pawn down in the opening. I also have enough games going right now.  Maybe another time.

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Okay then, no problem. And by the way, me learning de Queen's, too. :)

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I usually play NF6 and then e5

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I don't understand that at all, macattack.  depending on how white wants to play, he can follow up with 3. g3 or 3. e3 and do just fine.  Also, what if white doesn't play 2. d4, which I rarely will against 1. . .Nf6

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Nf3 is a good waiting move that often transposes into either the Nimzo Indian or the QGD.  Tis my choice, most of the time.

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movegameswhite wins / draw / black wins
1...Nf6 31,087
40.9% 34.4% 24.7%
1...e5 19,194
37.8% 32.5% 29.7%
1...e6 13,186
37.4% 38.8% 23.8%
1...c5 11,186
35.7% 41.5% 22.8%
1...g6 9,950
35.8% 34.3% 29.9%
1...c6 6,387
38.9% 39.2% 21.9%
1...f5 3,217
41.7% 30.4% 27.8%
1...b6 1,288
35.9% 31.1% 33%
1...d6 670
41.2% 26.7% 32.1%
1...Nc6 334
43.7% 26% 30.2%
1...d5 39
64.1% 17.9% 17.9%
1...g5 31
54.8% 25.8% 19.4%
1...b5 10
50% 20% 30%
1...a6 7
57.1%   42.9%
1...Na6 3
33.3% 33.3% 33.3%
1...h5 2
50%   50%
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This is from Wikipedia:

Common responses include:[1]

1...Nf6 hopes to get an Indian Defence.
1...e5 White has black's position in the Sicilian but with a tempo up. This is often called the reverse-Sicilian.[7] Bruce Leverett, writing the English chapter in MCO14, stated, "It is natural to treat the English as a Sicilian reversed, but the results are often surprising--main lines in the Sicilian Defense correspond to obscure side variations in the English, and vice versa."
1...e6 (Can lead to a Queen's Gambit Declined after 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4, but White often prefers 2.Nf3).
1...c5 (the Symmetrical Variation) including attempts to try the Hedgehog system.[8]
1...f5 leads to a Dutch Defense when White follows up with d4.
1...g6 may lead to a Modern Defense or after d6 and Nf6 to the King's Indian Defence, or stay within English lines.
1...c6 (Can lead to a Slav Defence after 2.d4 d5, but White will often prefer a Caro-Kann Defence with 2.e4 d5, or a Reti Opening after 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3).
1...b6 The English Defence. This setup involves the fianchetto of the queenside bishop and 2...e6. Often Black will defer the move ....Nf6, choosing to attack the center with ...f5 and/or ...Qh4. The English grandmasters Anthony Miles and Jonathan Speelman have successfully used this opening.
1...g5 An eccentric response known as Myers' Defense after Hugh Myers' advocacy of it in print and actual play.[9][10][11] It is intended as an improved Grob's Attack; after 2.d4, Black will pressurise d4 with moves such as ...Bg7, ...c5, and ...Qb6.[10][12] According to Nunn's Chess Openings, White obtains a small advantage after 2.d4 Bg7 (offering a Grob-like gambit: 3.Bxg5 c5) 3.Nc3 h6 4.e4.[13] Myers recommended 3...c5 (instead of 3...h6); in response, Joel Benjamin advocates 4.dxc5![10]