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Compadre_J

The Kings Indian Defense(KID) is considered positionally busted!

It trades Positional Solidness for Dynamical Attacking opportunities.

In fact, The Legend (Himself) Garry Kasparov was a deep advocate of the KID.

Legend has it Garry Kasparov stopped playing the KID due to Anatoly Karpov.

The World Champion Karpov was a Positional Master. Karpov made a living squeezing opponents to death like a Python. Every piece would still be on the board and yet the opponent was hopelessly lost. The rumor is Gary changed his line from KID to the Gruenfeld to have better chance of winning against Karpov.

lostpawn247
Compadre_J wrote:

The Kings Indian Defense(KID) is considered positionally busted!

It trades Positional Solidness for Dynamical Attacking opportunities.

In fact, The Legend (Himself) Garry Kasparov was a deep advocate of the KID.

Legend has it Garry Kasparov stopped playing the KID due to Anatoly Karpov.

The World Champion Karpov was a Positional Master. Karpov made a living squeezing opponents to death like a Python. Every piece would still be on the board and yet the opponent was hopelessly lost. The rumor is Gary changed his line from KID to the Gruenfeld to have better chance of winning against Karpov.

If I remember my facts correctly, Kasparov switched from the Tarrasch to the Grunfeld during his world championship matches vs Karpov. Beginning with the 1986 world championship matches, he played both the Kings Indian and the Grunfeld against Karpov in the same match.

If anyone could take credit for getting Kasparov to give up the Kings Indian, It would be Vladimir Kramnik.

blueemu
Compadre_J wrote:

The Kings Indian Defense(KID) is considered positionally busted!

I'll remember that the next time I have a game against a super-GM.

UnsidesteppableChess

The Tarrasch Defense helped get Kasparov to the World Championship, but after losing twice to Karpov with the Tarrasch Defense Kasparov gave up playing it. However, players who have looked into it say the defense wasn't the reason.

Besides, even if having an IQP against the positional genius Karpov actually did in a way play a role how many of us are going to face a Karpov.

On the club level my opinion is the Tarrasch Defense is as practical as it gets.

Compadre_J

Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall

err0r909
Compadre_J wrote:

Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall

True.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/Vladimir-Kramnik-is-6l.Ilm4mQyiVWj9eLSQCtQ/

err0r909

Yet I see that queen move as a blunder, but ok it's fact.

Mazetoskylo
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

The Tarrasch Defense helped get Kasparov to the World Championship, but after losing twice to Karpov with the Tarrasch Defense Kasparov gave up playing it. However, players who have looked into it say the defense wasn't the reason.

Besides, even if having an IQP against the positional genius Karpov actually did in a way play a role how many of us are going to face a Karpov.

On the club level my opinion is the Tarrasch Defense is as practical as it gets.

Well, in the latest interpretation of the opening (Dubov Tarrasch) which is the current trend at all levels, there is no isolated pawn at d5: Black promptly sacrifises it.

And don't forget the von Hennig-Schara gambit which Max Warmerdam used twice in the Tata Steel tournament to achieve a completely equal position against Gukesh, and a completely winning one against Maghsoodloo. Actually he managed to lose both games, but it's not the opening to blame for that...

tygxc

@25

"Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall"
++ No, Kasparov played the Scotch against Karpov before.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067288

Kramnik revived the Berlin against Kasparov.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252043

Kramnik made Kasparov quit the King's Indian Defense and switch to the Queen's Gambit Accepted.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932

Compadre_J
tygxc wrote:

@25

"Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall"
++ No, Kasparov played the Scotch against Karpov before.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067288

Kramnik revived the Berlin against Kasparov.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252043

Kramnik made Kasparov quit the King's Indian Defense and switch to the Queen's Gambit Accepted.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932

No - It wasn’t Kramnik who made Garry switch from KID lines.

It was Karpov.

This is why a lot of Garry vs. Karpov games are in Grünfeld.

You could also say Karpov made Garry switch from playing Tarrasch as well.

Both the Tarrasch & KID have Positional problems and Karpov was a Positional Master.

He exploited those problems which called Garry to change.

lostpawn247
Compadre_J wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@25

"Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall"
++ No, Kasparov played the Scotch against Karpov before.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067288

Kramnik revived the Berlin against Kasparov.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252043

Kramnik made Kasparov quit the King's Indian Defense and switch to the Queen's Gambit Accepted.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932

No - It wasn’t Kramnik who made Garry switch from KID lines.

It was Karpov.

This is why a lot of Garry vs. Karpov games are in Grünfeld.

You could also say Karpov made Garry switch from playing Tarrasch as well.

Both the Tarrasch & KID have Positional problems and Karpov was a Positional Master.

He exploited those problems which called Garry to change.

If Karpov was a Kings Indian killer, Garry wouldn't have utilized it as often as he did during their last match in 1990. There were 7 times using the KID and 4 games with the Grunfeld. That was the first match since the 1986 match where the KID was played more often. If Karpov was such a problem, Kasparov would have used the KID less not more.

On the other hand, against Kramnik, there wasn't a single game in which the King's Indian defense was played. A large part of that was due to Kramnik's utilization of the Bayonet Attack.

medelpad

i go nf6 with e6 and b6

Uhohspaghettio1
lostpawn247 wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@25

"Vladimir Kramnik is the man who made Garry switch from the Ruy Lopez to the Scotch due to Berlin Wall"
++ No, Kasparov played the Scotch against Karpov before.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067288

Kramnik revived the Berlin against Kasparov.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1252043

Kramnik made Kasparov quit the King's Indian Defense and switch to the Queen's Gambit Accepted.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932

No - It wasn’t Kramnik who made Garry switch from KID lines.

It was Karpov.

This is why a lot of Garry vs. Karpov games are in Grünfeld.

You could also say Karpov made Garry switch from playing Tarrasch as well.

Both the Tarrasch & KID have Positional problems and Karpov was a Positional Master.

He exploited those problems which called Garry to change.

If Karpov was a Kings Indian killer, Garry wouldn't have utilized it as often as he did during their last match in 1990. There were 7 times using the KID and 4 games with the Grunfeld. That was the first match since the 1986 match where the KID was played more often. If Karpov was such a problem, Kasparov would have used the KID less not more.

On the other hand, against Kramnik, there wasn't a single game in which the King's Indian defense was played. A large part of that was due to Kramnik's utilization of the Bayonet Attack.

As I mentioned in the other thread Garry almost never played the QGA, he even has more games with the Benoni. In later years Garry took up the a6 Slav and gained an appreciation for it despite having dismissed it earlier in his career.

tygxc

@33

This is the game that made Kasparov abandon the King's Indian Defense:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932 
This is what Kasparov turned to after that:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1267516

TheKinglyGrayM26

I highly recommend defenses against 1. d4 openings as the Nimzo, QID, and Slav. I don’t like the King’s Indian and Grunfeld due to all the heavy theory knowledge requirement. I find the same problem towards the extremely sharp and complicated Semi Slav with variations going past the thirtieth move!!