Play the Kings Indian Attack!
All your problems will be solved because they can’t play Winawer or Nf6 French classical line if you do the above!
Nailed it!
Thanks for the thread any other questions?
Play the Kings Indian Attack!
All your problems will be solved because they can’t play Winawer or Nf6 French classical line if you do the above!
Nailed it!
Thanks for the thread any other questions?
I want to play 3. Nc3 tho
Negative - 3.Nc3 is only played if they play c5.
Than the line transposes to the Closed Sicilian!
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Are you talking to me?
It seems like a failure to communicate to me.
I read what you wrote and it seems like your the one recommending something the OP said they didn’t want to play because it’s a variation off their taste.
At this point, It might be best to ask the OP a question.
What exactly do you want OP?
Do you want Black to play Winawer against you?
If answer is No, you can try the KIA or something else which doesn’t have tons of theory.
If answer is Yes, you will need to study the opening theory of the line to understand what to do so you don’t get blown off board by the prepared winawer players.
Are you talking to me?
It seems like a failure to communicate to me.
I read what you wrote and it seems like your the one recommending something the OP said they didn’t want to play because it’s a variation off their taste.
Huh. I see you're getting something very different from the OP's query than Chess16723 and I are. I'm surprised, because their post seems pretty clear to me. The OP wants to play 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 as White and wants to have further tips on how to handle Black's two main responses, 3 ... Bb4 and 3 ... Nf6. But you're right it's a difficult question for them to be asking because there's a *lot* of theory in both those lines, and a couple of games in each would only scratch the surface.
For my part, against the Winawer, I'd play the Poisoned Pawn, but the version where White plays Bd3 before taking on g7. Like so. There aren't as many forced lines (though by now there's quite a bit of theory), and White usually gets a pretty strong attack.
Play the Kings Indian Attack!
All your problems will be solved because they can’t play Winawer or Nf6 French classical line if you do the above!
Nailed it!
Thanks for the thread any other questions?
Drive a KIA!
Thanks for the thread any other questions?
Sure, just one more question.
Are you really that dumb, or you do it on purpose?
https://www.amazon.com/Beat-French-Defense-3-Nc3-Repertoire/dp/9492510979
This book actually recommends the Exchange against the Winawer. However, instead of the Jackal that the other opponent suggested, this gives the Steinitz, which is a tough line for Black. I think it is an excellent book against 3...Nf6, but they short-cutted against the Winawer.
As one that plays the French myself, the most difficult line for Black in the Winawer is 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.h4! This move is actually stronger than 7.Qg4.
I would suggest subscribing to the French section of Chesspublishing.com. Watson is excellent. The same cannot be said about all the sections. In some of them, they cover very few games and are 2 months late. Chris Ward (Dragons) and John Emms (Nimzo and Benoni) absolutely suck at getting things out on time and they only cover 6 and 7 games a month respectively compared to Watson's 10 to 12 a month and always on time - the June Update gets published in JUNE, NOT AUGUST!
It is $19.95 per year for 1 section.
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"I need two games in both of the variations"
++ From the ongoing ICCF world championship finals:
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1360233
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1360231
Huh. I see you're getting something very different from the OP's query than Chess16723 and I are. I'm surprised, because their post seems pretty clear to me. The OP wants to play 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 as White and wants to have further tips on how to handle Black's two main responses, 3 ... Bb4 and 3 ... Nf6. But you're right it's a difficult question for them to be asking because there's a *lot* of theory in both those lines, and a couple of games in each would only scratch the surface.
For my part, against the Winawer, I'd play the Poisoned Pawn, but the version where White plays Bd3 before taking on g7. Like so. There aren't as many forced lines (though by now there's quite a bit of theory), and White usually gets a pretty strong attack.
I thought the OP post was very clear cut as well, but it seems like there are different interpretations.
I guess I can explain my thoughts process on how I interpreted the OP post differently.
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The OP 1st sentence:
“Please suggest me lines to play against the Winawer and Nf6 french as white.”
I thought to myself sure!
I can do that
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The OP 2nd sentence:
“The variation is complicated, therefore I need two games in both of the variations to follow and then I can improve on theory later.”
The variations are not complicated to me or millions of other chess players. It seems to me like it’s only complicated to the OP because their chess understanding is still developing.
The above makes me think the OP isn’t ready to play this line. They are trying to force themselves to play a line in which they are not able to do right now.
2 games will not do anything.
You need hundreds of games.
Also, The OP said they will learn theory later which also makes me think “Later” is when they should play this line.
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I didn’t know what variation the OP was talking about below:
All the other variations against the French are kinda off my taste.
Based on the above, I came to the conclusion the OP should try easier line which isn’t fully of theory or complicated for them to play so I recommend the KIA.
Okay, you understood what they were asking for and thought it was a bad idea, so you suggested they ask for something else. Like chess16723 said.
The better way to handle that would be to be straightforward about it: “Are you sure you want the Nc3 line? There’s a whole lot more theory in it than can be learned in two games. If you’re looking for a line whose ideas can be learned more quickly, would you consider the KIA?”
That would be a more reasonable way to put it, even if I don’t quite agree. For my part, I think that studying two games in a line is better than studying zero. Yes, you’ll be far from knowing all the theory, but so will your opponent. It’s a first step.
And to answer the question about a couple of games in the Winawer, try these:
https://www.chess.com/games/view/835791
https://www.chess.com/games/view/1244002
Amazing lines, I will try!
Please suggest me lines to play against the Winawer and Nf6 french as white.
The variation is complicated, therefore I need two games in both of the variations to follow and then I can improve on theory later.
All the other variations against the French are kinda off my taste.