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Mieses opening and Pirc defense combined as a universal system, possible?

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magneto1959

Can any player succeed only playing the Mieses opening combined with the Pirc defense?

Myxhelovet

Define success happy.png You need to know some KID/KIA lines as well.

NikolaiSpongnikov
I do. I always play the Pirc vs e4 and the Mieses Opening I always play as white.
NikolaiSpongnikov
At least the sniper opening that transposes into a Pirc setup.
darkunorthodox88

of course

ponz111

What is your definition of the "Mieses Opening"?

darkunorthodox88
DeirdreSkye wrote:

He means 1.d3 with white and 1...d6 with Black no matter what.

 

1.d3 will most possibly lead to Reti or Benko(1.g3) since you will most likely fiancheto the bishop anyway.

You will play Pirc with colors reversed but the extra tempo is of no use unfortunately.

    Black defenses are good because of white's extra move that allows Bllack extra info. Once the info dissapears the defense dissapears too, it seems like it is the opening reversed but it's another opening. Maybe try to lose a tempo with a3 which is useful in Pirc or just play the very good Reti.

    Still the resulting positions have some common characteristics in many cases so understanding Pirc positions will help in reversed Pirc positions. Just don't expect that your beloved defense with Black will be even better with white. That's not gonna happen. 

 

 

 

i woudnt go so far as to say of no use, but yes, the extra tempo is not that great for white in these enterprising formations

pdve

There is a saying .. there are no good or bad openings. Only well and badly played ones. So yeah at this level you can get away with anything if you know what you are doing and have a plan. Now is it good advice to give whether to play something judged by theory as inferior that is a separate matter.

darkunorthodox88

in of these forums, someone mentioned a croatian master that did just that always pirc with black, and always a pirc a move up with white so it can and does happen but its certainly the exception among strong players not the rule.

 

i discourage developing players from restricting themselves to 1.only 1 opening and 2. relying too much on systems. Both have the significant flaw of only exposing you , the developing player to a limited number of positions. It's best to develop your chess intuition across many different types of structures. you dont want to end up an "expert" only in certain types of positions but rather  be good all around.

pdve

it's true that it is playable and as @DeirdreSkye says some lines end with = evaluation. However, why you would not play 1.e4 or 1.d4 is a more important question. I recently had a game in which white played the scandinavian reversed colors and he won against me but if the guy tried to repeat it i belive i could refute it. it only has shock value.

 

pdve
DeirdreSkye wrote:
pdve wrote:

it's true that it is playable and as @DeirdreSkye says some lines end with = evaluation. However, why you would not play 1.e4 or 1.d4 is a more important question. I recently had a game in which white played the scandinavian reversed colors and he won against me but if the guy tried to repeat it i belive i could refute it. it only has shock value.

 

   You really don't understand that you didn't lose because of the opening. You lost because of your poor understanding.

If you are unable to play 10 common sense moves any nonsense will have "shock value". You are the type of guy that needs specific instructions to play against 1.h4 2.h5. 

 

No but in blitz you hardly spend that much time understanding your opponent's moves. You are too busy shuffling pieces.

pdve

And after 1.e4 e5 2.d4 3.eXd4 Qxd4 I thought my opponent was a clown.

ThrillerFan
DeirdreSkye wrote:

  I agree , exposing yourself in only one type of positions will hurt you in the long run.

 

 

Yep, even the Canadian Grandmaster Duncan Settles, we'll known for playing 1.g3 and 1...g6 and playing the Modern, Pirc, Reverse Modern and Reverse Pirc played other stuff as well.  As Black, it was rare to play something different, but he did occasionally.  As White, he played a lot of 1.e4 and 1.c4, but almost never 1.d4.  Played a lot of English (sometimes transposition from 1.g3, but also 1.c4), Closed Sicilian, KIA vs French or Caro, Vienna Game, etc.

 

You can't just play the same position and expect to succeed.

darkunorthodox88
pdve wrote:

And after 1.e4 e5 2.d4 3.eXd4 Qxd4 I thought my opponent was a clown.

what a ridiculous attitude to have. your opponent played a move that equalizes quicker as white. he must be a scrub.

 

where do patzers get this arrogance?

congrandolor
pdve wrote:

And after 1.e4 e5 2.d4 3.eXd4 Qxd4 I thought my opponent was a clown.

that`s not technically a "reversed Scandinavian" but a Central opening, has been known for centuries