most drawish opening in chess? - Chess Forums - Page 2

PleasantEscalator

Nov 21, 2020

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EXCHANGE FRENCH

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

... ok, but those are not drawish. Lc0 rates the berlin as the best chance for black to win. I trust lc0 more than you

engines suck at openings, i trust him more than lc0

lc0 is not the conventional engine though.

it took the scores from all its games, and saw which one gave it the best chance of winning. It has the highest win rate in the Berlin than anything else.

still, engines suck at chess. it doesnt matter hich one. Humans use more intuition.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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And when an engine says that "white is better here" or something, thats not very accurate. Because for a human, that advantage may not matter. I suggest you read more, such as @2Ke21-0 blog about engines.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

... ok, but those are not drawish. Lc0 rates the berlin as the best chance for black to win. I trust lc0 more than you

engines suck at openings, i trust him more than lc0

lc0 is not the conventional engine though.

it took the scores from all its games, and saw which one gave it the best chance of winning. It has the highest win rate in the Berlin than anything else.

still, engines suck at chess. it doesnt matter hich one. Humans use more intuition.

And your intuition can be wrong. Personally, I feel as though the Berlin is the opposite of a draw. It is what Krammnik used to deprive Kasparov of his title.

In openings, exact calculation means almost NOTHING.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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In openings, I think intuition and taste matters much more.

rebus2k

Nov 21, 2020

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2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

... ok, but those are not drawish. Lc0 rates the berlin as the best chance for black to win. I trust lc0 more than you

engines suck at openings, i trust him more than lc0

thats actually true, not saying you should trust me. but engines rate my openings bad and they arent bad

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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exactly. if you are talking about this berlin defense:

I highly disagree with you.

rebus2k

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

... ok, but those are not drawish. Lc0 rates the berlin as the best chance for black to win. I trust lc0 more than you

engines suck at openings, i trust him more than lc0

lc0 is not the conventional engine though.

it took the scores from all its games, and saw which one gave it the best chance of winning. It has the highest win rate in the Berlin than anything else.

still, engines suck at chess. it doesnt matter hich one. Humans use more intuition.

And your intuition can be wrong. Personally, I feel as though the Berlin is the opposite of a draw. It is what Krammnik used to deprive Kasparov of his title.

In openings, exact calculation means almost NOTHING.

But in the resulting positions you get from those opening calculation does matter. lc0 won more in positions from the Berlin than anything else. I am not saying it spits out theory in the Berlin, but lc0 favors the positions that arise from the Berlin.

well thats lC0 isnt it? if you were an engine, you would win as well

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

exactly. if you are talking about this berlin defense:

I highly disagree with you.

no.

This is what I mean

first think I would think is that white has a slight advantage.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

exactly. if you are talking about this berlin defense:

I highly disagree with you.

no.

This is what I mean

first think I would think is that white has a slight advantage.

White has a slight advantage in every opening, but that advantage is not good enough to convert into anything, or else top gms would always win with white

Well, then, where in the world did you find that black has any sort of advantage?

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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I think an opening is totally about taste.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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But also, on your comment about white always being better, that is not necessarily true. It's just that white gets a long term advantage in the ruy lopez.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

But also, on your comment about white always being better, that is not necessarily true. It's just that white gets a long term advantage in the ruy lopez.

White gets the first move. That is an advantage, but not enough to do anything with it.

Yes true, but there are exceptions. In the Ruy lopez, white doesn't just get an advantage because he/her moves first. Same with queens gambit. That is why many GMs adore them.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Search it up. You will find many resources.

2Kf21-0

Nov 21, 2020

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Epiloque wrote:

2Kf21-0 wrote:

Search it up. You will find many resources.

you should be able to explain your argument. I should not have to look it up, bc your argument should be good enough that I understand it just by reading what you have to say.

I cannot explain to you in 1 post what is a lifetime worth of studying.

msd238

Nov 21, 2020

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rychessmaster1 wrote:

What it be

Anything Anish Giri plays in classical chess

msd238

Nov 21, 2020

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rychessmaster1 wrote:

dhruvkarthik wrote:

Bruh Exchange French

na thats not drawish if black plays for a win

My stats as Black in French Defence Exchange, looks drawish but it ain't when you're playing me

TrollGod

Nov 21, 2020

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msd238 wrote:

rychessmaster1 wrote:

dhruvkarthik wrote:

Bruh Exchange French

na thats not drawish if black plays for a win

My stats as Black in French Defence Exchange, looks drawish but it ain't when you're playing me

Yeah I agree black has chances to fight for the win but there are lines where white prevents black from castling long and without castling long white can just copy u to make a draw

msd238

Nov 21, 2020

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dhruvkarthik wrote:

msd238 wrote:

rychessmaster1 wrote:

dhruvkarthik wrote:

Bruh Exchange French

na thats not drawish if black plays for a win

My stats as Black in French Defence Exchange, looks drawish but it ain't when you're playing me

Yeah I agree black has chances to fight for the win but there are lines where white prevents black from castling long and without castling long white can just copy u to make a draw

Bruh, you sure about that draw in the copy lines?

TrollGod

Nov 22, 2020

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msd238 wrote:

dhruvkarthik wrote:

msd238 wrote:

rychessmaster1 wrote:

dhruvkarthik wrote:

Bruh Exchange French

na thats not drawish if black plays for a win

My stats as Black in French Defence Exchange, looks drawish but it ain't when you're playing me

Yeah I agree black has chances to fight for the win but there are lines where white prevents black from castling long and without castling long white can just copy u to make a draw

Bruh, you sure about that draw in the copy lines?

yeah cuz I played OTB yesterday with French and my opponent wasted a tempo while playing exchange french and copied me the rest of the game