most obscure but awesome and useful opening

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Paul_A_88

@ultra-laser - Great thanks a lot I play that opening but on 2. i play g6 instead of the nardorff. Thnkx

StevieBlues

Laser, that position is completely lost for black. I'm not saying I could convert the advantage but it is.

TheBigDecline

Damiano Defense, the Magikarp of chess openings!

It's inherent strength derives mainly from the surprise effect on your opponent , not so much from it's usability...

Paul_A_88

@bigdecline thnkx

Mainline_Novelty
StevieBlues wrote:

Laser, that position is completely lost for black. I'm not saying I could convert the advantage but it is.

I think it's supposed to be theoretically equal...

ViktorHNielsen
TheBigDecline wrote:

Damiano Defense, the Magikarp of chess openings!

It's inherent strength derives mainly from the surprise effect on your opponent , not so much from it's usability...



Paul_A_88

ya

StevieBlues
UltraLaser wrote:
StevieBlues wrote:

Laser, that position is completely lost for black. I'm not saying I could convert the advantage but it is.

With respect, you're wrong. Black may be worse (although I think the advantage is not that big) but is certainly not in a lost position.

Well you take it up with Houdini then. .90-1.00 advantage for white.

Mainline_Novelty

That's only because computers can't understand dynamic compensation.

Morkph

dzindzi indian rocks!

Paul_A_88

@franken_berry - true enough but openings can be unknown and silly and still be awesome - it doesn't mean that they aren't cool if they arent good

falcogrine
Franken_Berry wrote:

By definition, there is no such thing as an awesome and obscure opening. The term is a contradiction. Don't mean to rain on your parade, let me know if you discover the philosopher's stone of chess openings that requires   little skill and allows you to crush strong players.

awesome =/= good opening/playable at master level. "Awesome" just refers to personally thinking it is cool. For example. I think the Polish is pretty awesome, yet I never play it OTB because it isn't playable against someone who knows what they're doing.

Pessimus

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Alekhine Defense with 1. e4 Nf6!? yet. It is a very useful weapon - especially in blitz - against opponents who might get overly ambitious in the first few moves.(four- and three pawns attack for example) There are only two, rather modest looking variations which save a small, but solid plus for white, most other tries equalize easily and can even get quite dangerous for white.

One example for this would be this line in the four pawns variation, which worked for me at least a dozen times in blitz:



mortique

I just run the end position of Alekhnine and it doesn't look that bad to white: at depth of 19 moves it's only -1.04 points for white. Maybe if you don't know what you are doing or in a blitz setting it could be useful. Definately doesn't seem busted.

NimzoRoy
Pippychess wrote:

what is the most obscure but awesome and useful opening thanks a lot for replying everyone :) I am not ultra familiar with all the chess openings so could you post their first three moves or so

"None of the above." You don't even have to play chess to logically deduce that a genuinely "awesome and useful opening" would not be obscure for very long. Concentrate on playing Double KP Openings as much as possible with both Black and White (as recommended for beginners by the great hypermodern GM Richard Reti)  and don't waste time looking for the Fountain of Youth or Holy Grail of chess openings. Instead spend your time on learning basic principles of openings, middlegames and endgames, and figuring out which openings work for you and which ones don't. The Italian Game is a good one to start out with. 

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/chess-opening-principles?_domain=old_blog_host&_parent=old_frontend_blog_view

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/beginner-chess-book-recommendations

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/endgame-faqs?_domain=old_blog_host&_parent=old_frontend_blog_view

Pessimus
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mortique

Pessimus, I did overread a bit. The end-result of Alekhnine seemed at first to have an unplayble advantage for black, and the comment "white is busted" lead me to run the position on computer. As I found out, it is a very useful defense leading to advantage for white, it just isn't the miracle game-ender I first thought it was.

Paul_A_88
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Paul_A_88
NimzoRoy wrote:
Pippychess wrote:

what is the most obscure but awesome and useful opening thanks a lot for replying everyone :) I am not ultra familiar with all the chess openings so could you post their first three moves or so

"None of the above." You don't even have to play chess to logically deduce that a genuinely "awesome and useful opening" would not be obscure for very long. Concentrate on playing Double KP Openings as much as possible with both Black and White (as recommended for beginners by the great hypermodern GM Richard Reti)  and don't waste time looking for the Fountain of Youth or Holy Grail of chess openings. Instead spend your time on learning basic principles of openings, middlegames and endgames, and figuring out which openings work for you and which ones don't. The Italian Game is a good one to start out with. 

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/chess-opening-principles?_domain=old_blog_host&_parent=old_frontend_blog_view

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/beginner-chess-book-recommendations

http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/endgame-faqs?_domain=old_blog_host&_parent=old_frontend_blog_view

In chess there are unsung openings that are great for blitz. And don't ruin the fun :)

Dparks57

My friend said once when playing speed chess stay away from long complicated openings simple openings are better, but why do people play Philidor too much, i guess its a good learning tool, how to beat it.  Later.  Scotch Gambit is cool five min game.