Muzio Gambit?

Can someone tell me what (if there is) the theory is after this? My book stops the line here

This is a knight sacrifice to gain increased development and get a LOT of pressure on f7, but idk about a theory since I don't play this

Check 365 or other opening database that are free.  It generally goes 12. Nd5 Kd8 13. Bc3 Re8 and 14. Nf6 or Bf6.

The Muzio Gambit is sound. It is not played much at the master level because black does not play 4...g4 allowing it much.

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Here's a Muzio win I had a while back. There's theory that you're supposed to sac your bishop on f7, which makes it the double Muzio. Hope it helps.

why the bump

for the record, my beginner self eventually found out that the line continued with 12. nd5 kd8 13. qe2 and then a repetition. Apparently I was too dumb to see the extra notation in my book

nice game

astonishing that all it takes is one slip up in the KG and black's on the ropes

@DasBurner - everything has to go right to pull off the Double Muzio Gambit, but when it happens, buckle up! You're in for a fun ride!!

il saluto,

Ah no in that case you might want to change your book because it was believed to be a draw but now is not

A email correspondence game (IECC) I was 2082 and Black was 2092

13. Qe2 (lean Attack) Qe6 14. Nxe7! (Keres) Qxe7 15. Bc3 Rg8 16. Qh5 Qg5 17.
Rf2

And all Black needs to do is take the Queen and White forces the draw.....

Except there is a small problem he doesn't need to do

17.....Rf8! 
Here I tried 18. Rfe2 d5 19. Qxg5+ Bxg5 20. Bxd5 Be6 21. Bxe6 fxe6 22. Rxe6 Kd7 23. d4 Rae8 24. Rxe8 Rxe8 25. Rxe8 Kxe8 26. Kf2 b5 27. a3 Bf6  0-1

I was later to discover the line 17...Rf8! could be found in Kaissiber No 13 Jan to Mar 2000.

It is interesting to note when chesscafe was still a big thing noted Irish ICCF IM Tim Harding also said Leans 13.Qe2 could be drawn because of the above and when I wrote to him showing him this move he did the whole "must be a computer move" thing which I thought was quite hilarious because the afore mentioned Kaissiber references it being played in L.Schuler - F.Meiben Fernschach 1999 a whole 5 years before my game.

(and for the record the referenced game went 18.Qe2 d6 19.Bxf7 Ne5 20.Bd5 c6 21.Be4 Kc7 0:1)

And while on the subject of the Muzio another game with the same opponent

And just to show you how much the Muzio has been analyzed to death, care to guess how much of this game was theory and how much wasn't (at the time)?

when I played my game above, it was 18 moves of theory that I played. I'm guessing that all of this is theory. Every move.

At the time, all but 1 move, 21...Kg8 was theory

Losing a knight?! NOT worth it

@Gluonsghost - White isn't forced to take on e7, though. I was under the impression that the draw went 13. Qe2 Qe6 14. Qf3 Qf5 15. Qe2 Qf5 and a draw due to repetition?

nice win lol

Ahoy,

Why not indeed, according Myers Opening Bulletin Volume 3 No 12 1985 13/14...Qg6 has been around since the time of Chigorin & Znosko-Borovsky which would seem odd that in such case that famous names as Keres, Korchnoi and Euwe have all repeated that the party line that it is draw by repetition (ref: same MOB)

14. Qf2 Qg6! 15. Bxf4 Bxf4 16. Qxf4 Nxd5 17. Bxd5 f6 18. Bxc6 bxc6 19. Qd4

(19. Qe3 Re8 20. Qc5 Rxe1 21. Rxe1 d6 22. Qxc6 Rb8 23. Re7 Rb7 {and White is lost: Chigorin
& Znosko-Borovsky} (23... Kxe7 24. Qxc7+))

19... Rf8 20. Re6 Bb7 21. Rexf6 Rxf6 22. Rxf6 c5 23. Qf2 Qg7 {Znosko-Borovsky} 24. Rf4 (24. Rf7 Qd4 25. Rxh7 Bd5 ?! 26. Rh5)

24... d6 25. c3 Ke7 26. Qh4+ Kd7 27. Qf2 And Black can play for a win without risk {Stefan Bucker} 

Please note: The above is quoted from a 35 year old magazine so take it on face value. I have included it more as a historical context.

NikkiLikeChikki That's a Paul Morphy's game

I assume that Nxe7 allows white to get back into the game somewhat but I also don't have enough time to analyze that move to reinforce my statement