My refutations of openings (early pawn sacs)

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Ben_Dubuque

Arkhameedies 

The Muzio is sound. you may be refering to the Double muzio which is only marginally sound and black can escape with either imprecise play by white. near perfect defense, or a combination of the two.

Uphigh100percent

Refute the Evan's that is played without refutation for more than 150 years from now.

TheMushroomDealer

@jet i said 3.Bc4?! and White's two first moves were e4 and f4... I said nothing about the Muzzio. BTW you misspelled my name "Arkhameedies" :)

TheMushroomDealer
Ben_Dubuque
Arkhimeedes wrote:

@jet i said 3.Bc4?! and White's two first moves were e4 and f4... I said nothing about the Muzzio. BTW you misspelled my name "Arkhameedies" :)

yeah sorry for the mispelling. You mentioned the muzio in one of the sidelines, sorry I should have been specific about it. anyway, Bc4 is on par with Nf3 but I would say the KG is definately a fight to prove who has the advantage, and sometimes white has it, sometimes black I think thats why so many club and lower level players are attracted to it.

TheMushroomDealer

I said that in this variation the attack is winning unlike in Muzzio. It means that even with the best possible play like with engines it is won by attack but in Muzzio at least White's attack will calm down and we'll have an endgame or middlegame. BTW I play king's gambit quite often so I definitely didn't mean that it is a bad opening 

Ben_Dubuque

yeah no I oringinally thought you had no malice, if I wanted I could have checked your record here to see if you had any Kings Gambits, but yeah I saw that and looked, should have paid more attention to the script and saw winning, not reading it as sound.

TheMushroomDealer

The king's gambit was my favorite opening 1,5 years ago or something and i recently bought a book by John Shaw and got interested in it again :). I actually have some online games when i play king's gambit as White going on

TheMushroomDealer

for example this http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=81898008

ajian

ya when i said refute the king's gambit i meant the 3.Bc4 line. Somebody asked me to refute the evans gambit... i'll do that shortly

TheMushroomDealer

3.Bc4 has already been refuted. Did you see my comments about KID?

Ben_Dubuque

I would beg to differ on 3. Bc4 being refuted, its my primary variation. but there is a hint of bias there.

clunney

3. Bc4 is refuted. Black holds the advantage in all lines.

TheMushroomDealer

yep 3..Nc6!

clunney

Pick up a copy of John Shaw's The King's Gambit and educate yourself.

TheMushroomDealer

Great book. I have it

clunney

3. ...Nc6!, yes indeed! I also think 2. ...d5 handles the Bishop's gambit quite well too ;)

clunney

I'm enjoying the book. As a d4 player who mostly answers 1. e4 with e6 or c6, I don't get too many King's Gambits, although occasionally I'll play it in blitz if I'm feeling a bit berserk >:)

Ben_Dubuque

nice. though to be honest, I have never had many problems OTB with Nc6 havent checked what my record online is, but thats mostly due to tactics

ajian

 @arkhimeedes yeah i did. but how does that help black?  also do you have anything to say about the ML (0-0 Nc6)