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1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Be3 c5 4. c3 cxd4 5. Bxd4?! (I'm black)

How would black best deal with this unorthodox approach to the modern? The one game in my database with this opening has a master class player play 5...f6 which looks extremely awkward to me, and I refuse to believe such a opening by white can cause this much of a concession.

The way I've been dealing with it has been: 5... Nf6 6. e5 Nd5 7. Bxa7 Nxc3 8. Nxc3 Rxa7 but I'm still not convinced whether this is good for black or if I missed something beforehand.

help?

Avatar of mwilliams273

Your move order posted is not correct...1.e4 , g6 2. Bg7 , d4...

You need the book by Lev Albert,"The Pirc Alert!"  This will show you the similarities between the "Modern and the Dragon and the Phillidor and several other modern type defences!!"

The biggest thing is when to apply them...The KID is the same set up as the modern and the Pirc...The modren changes to the pirc and vice versa!!!

TACTICS! TACTICS! TACTICS! Learn to transpose!! Above all know and practice tactics!!!!

Avatar of skogli
Nimzo33 wrote:

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Be3 c5 4. c3 cxd4 5. Bxd4?! (I'm black)

How would black best deal with this unorthodox approach to the modern? The one game in my database with this opening has a master class player play 5...f6 which looks extremely awkward to me, and I refuse to believe such a opening by white can cause this much of a concession.

The way I've been dealing with it has been: 5... Nf6 6. e5 Nd5 7. Bxa7 Nxc3 8. Nxc3 Rxa7 but I'm still not convinced whether this is good for black or if I missed something beforehand.

help?


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybee you should wait with c5? Develop the kingside first, if you must play c5 what about:

4..cxd looks weak, if you don't take on d4 the pawn on c3 gives white some problems with the queenside development.
Avatar of PrawnEatsPrawn

The position after Rxa7 is good for Black (Houdini 1.5 rates Black nearly half a pawn better).

 

Black has sweet development (powerful Bishop, open a-file, c6 looks good for the Knight), a ready made target (the pawn on e5), few weaknesses and castling in one turn. Black for choice.

Avatar of MrKalukioh
skogli wrote:
Nimzo33 wrote:

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Be3 c5 4. c3 cxd4 5. Bxd4?! (I'm black)

How would black best deal with this unorthodox approach to the modern? The one game in my database with this opening has a master class player play 5...f6 which looks extremely awkward to me, and I refuse to believe such a opening by white can cause this much of a concession.

The way I've been dealing with it has been: 5... Nf6 6. e5 Nd5 7. Bxa7 Nxc3 8. Nxc3 Rxa7 but I'm still not convinced whether this is good for black or if I missed something beforehand.

help?


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybee you should wait with c5? Develop the kingside first, if you must play c5 what about:

4..cxd looks weak, if you don't take on d4 the pawn on c3 gives white some problems with the queenside development.

Hi skogli, thanks for the reply. I play c5 since the white set-up involving e4, d4, Be3, and Qd2 (which 3.Be3 tries to set-up) is a tough nut to crack from the black side of the modern. c5 attempts to soften up the d-pawn for eventual counter-play. Also, I'm actually quite comfortable after 5. cxd4 d5 but after 5. Bxd4 (which leaves the pawn on c3) I'm actually a bit perplexed as how to meet it.

I am interested in 4... Nf6 in that is seem like a decent alternative, but 5. Bxd4 can't possibly be a good move!? why am I changing my moves to avoid it?

Avatar of MrKalukioh
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

The position after Rxa7 is good for Black (Houdini 1.5 rates Black nearly half a pawn better).

 

Black has sweet development (powerful Bishop, open a-file, c6 looks good for the Knight), a ready made target (the pawn on e5), few weaknesses and castling in one turn. Black for choice.


Oh great! I guess that settles it then. I suppose it is kind of obvious that white will have trouble holding the e5 pawn in the variation I gave. Thank you PrawnEatPrawn