Non-E4 openings?

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Jayaway

thats good to

tlay80
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:

I'm a bit higher-rated than you, and have been playing a long time, but am in a similar position. I'm happy playing e4 against e5 and the Sicilian, but have never really felt comfortable against some other defences, especially the French. I'm just starting to do what @dpnorman recommends, playing 1.nf3 as a way into the English (and if Black plays 1...d5 then the Reti proper with 2.c4). Played and won my first rated game with it last night, and it felt so good to be doing something a bit different. There are lots of videos on the repertoire on the internet.

I wasn't sure what to play against the French for a long time. I've been playing the Tarrasch but finally decided I want to switch to Nc3.

I like these positions. It feels in a similar spirit to some sharp Najdorf.

The Open Sicilian I absolutely adore. This is why I play e4.

I too hated dealing with the French until I started playing 3. Nc3, which I agree is most in the spirit of other 1. e4 openings. It takes some study, but at least you get *fun* positions to study (unless they play the bloody Rubinstein...).

EKAFC
tlay80 wrote:

I too hated dealing with the French until I started playing 3. Nc3, which I agree is most in the spirit of other 1. e4 openings. It takes some study, but at least you get *fun* positions to study (unless they play the bloody Rubinstein...).

I used to love getting the Rubinstein because of the queen trap. However, people get better and they prevent such tricks. But with semi-open openings like French or Caro, playing aggressively is the best chance for an advantage which a lot of people don't do because they rather go into the Exchange than have fun

jvmorales

Queens gambit

UPChess13

London and queens gambit are two very good d4 openings

Sadlone

Pawn a3 is worth trying

MeercatsForMayor

dude simple. . . bong cloud

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MeercatsForMayor

hello

FrogCDE

@SamuelAjedrez95, you play sharp lines. Respect, but those aren't for me, and wouldn't be even if I didn't have a sneaking suspicion that my opponent, as a mainline French or Sicilian player, would have studied them in more depth than I have. 

darkunorthodox88
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

Hey, he didn't say titled players couldn't respond to it, so why wouldn't we?

ya but were like mice to you to us you guys are like gods lol

I mean that's very flattering but you gotta remember there are *hundreds* of 12 year olds who are considerably stronger than I will ever become. There are a lot of chess masters in the world!

pffft dont tell him! its about as much respect as we ever gonna get!

MeercatsForMayor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

Hey, he didn't say titled players couldn't respond to it, so why wouldn't we?

ya but were like mice to you to us you guys are like gods lol

I mean that's very flattering but you gotta remember there are *hundreds* of 12 year olds who are considerably stronger than I will ever become. There are a lot of chess masters in the world!

pffft dont tell him! its about as much respect as we ever gonna get!

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Best opening d4

Jayaway

yes sir

ssctk
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations? 

 

The question is what do you expect to be different with d4.

If you play the Tromposwky vs 1. ..Nf6, you still have the Dutch, 1. ..d6/..g6, the old Benoni with 1. ..c5, 1. ..e6 which may go in several directions.

Also, 1. ..d5 has QGD, including Tarrasch, Schara von Hennig and Semi-Tarrash, QGA, Slav, Semi-Slav, Triangle which may or may not turn into a Slav-stonewall and of course other entirely playable offshoots e.g. Chigorin, Albin Counter and others e.g. Baltic, Australian.

 

What I'm trying to get to is that while a "typical" 1.d4 repertoire may (depending on how it's built) have less theory than a "typical" 1.e4 but it's not going to be 5% the size.

 

If you want drastic cuts in repertoire size you need to play systems, but before doing so why not get a repertoire book with good but short and non-theoretical lines, e.g. Emm's "attacking with 1.e4" was a good book for that purpose, it's a rather short book.

 

Otherwise as others said why not try the English especially a setup that's going to be easier to play e.g. get hold of Tony Kosten's old book.

jmpchess12

Difficult to firmly recommend anything without knowing the context of why you dislike some e4 responses.

 

If the concern is breadth of responses and having to deal with too many defenses than a "system" opening like the London, Colle, Botvinnik, or KIA could work. Of course system openings trade theoretical strength for playing similar setups every game and many people think they're stunting for chess growth. 

 

If the issue is particular frustrations with particular black responses to e4, then learning new ways of combating those defenses is probably the way to go.

 

Lastly, if you just want to learn something new to change things up and want a quality opening, it's hard to go wrong with the Queen's gambit, however the book for d4-c4 positions is enormous. 

SamuelAjedrez95
FrogCDE wrote:

@SamuelAjedrez95, you play sharp lines. Respect, but those aren't for me, and wouldn't be even if I didn't have a sneaking suspicion that my opponent, as a mainline French or Sicilian player, would have studied them in more depth than I have. 

Ah yeah, it certainly depends on your style. Either you enjoy French and Sicilian positions, in which case e4 is for you, or you don't and it's worth trying something else.

However, it has to be said that some people who don't enjoy these positions exaggerate the need for studying theory. Especially at lower levels, it's likely that the opponent doesn't actually know any more theory than you do. They are also human.

darkunorthodox88
EKAFC wrote:
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations?

You could try the Queen's Gambit and learn a few lines. This is my main opening as White but I have been trying to learn 1.e4 lately. Caro is a joke if you watch Gotham Chess' video on the Tal Variation and copy his pgn. I would suggest you look at 4.c4!? against the 3...c5 variation. For the Sicilian, Rossolimo has been recommended in Keep It Simple so it can't be a variation to learn. Maybe you should go for a Fried Liver Attack as is it a very dynamic opening as long as you know a few ideas.

At the end of the day, it is what you enjoy playing and I would recommend you try a lot of openings and find what you like. Make sure it's not a London though

there is nothing wrong with playing the london, so long as you dont ONLY play the london

MeercatsForMayor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
EKAFC wrote:
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations?

You could try the Queen's Gambit and learn a few lines. This is my main opening as White but I have been trying to learn 1.e4 lately. Caro is a joke if you watch Gotham Chess' video on the Tal Variation and copy his pgn. I would suggest you look at 4.c4!? against the 3...c5 variation. For the Sicilian, Rossolimo has been recommended in Keep It Simple so it can't be a variation to learn. Maybe you should go for a Fried Liver Attack as is it a very dynamic opening as long as you know a few ideas.

At the end of the day, it is what you enjoy playing and I would recommend you try a lot of openings and find what you like. Make sure it's not a London though

there is nothing wrong with playing the london, so long as you dont ONLY play the london

Yes my national master overlord

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