Apperently noone is interested in my comments. I will delete them now.
Understandably, nobody wants opening advice from someone with 3 digit ratings...
Oh shut up. Why do all idiots care about ratings? Screw ratings. They are pointless and give false impressions that only unintelligent fools fall for.
Tell me the year that quote was mentioned in 1999?
2010.
How about a substantive response to my comment?
Apperently noone is interested in my comments. I will delete them now.
Well I am interested in your comments.
Your the only person being nice to me as it turns out.
Why thank you. Turns out you're the only one here with common sense.
finn416--
Very interesting and creative way to play the Dutch there.
where in the position is this white small advantage? dont trust the computer on 0.40 :)
The small advantage's white has in this position are pretty obvious.
The e5 square is a permanent hole in the black position.
The g5 square is a very tender square.
White has more center space due to his c4 and d4 pawn's.
White has better piece activity.
Black's bishop on c8 is a very closed in piece.
As you can see the evaluation that white is slightly better in this position is perfectly justified.
thanks for the answer. the e5square is weak thats correct. this is what black sacrifices for having more space than white. i guess you could argue that white has more space on the queenside but white has much more space on the kingside and center. Blacks bishop on c8 usually goes d7e8h5 in the old variations but in modern variations b6 is the square for it so its not sitting on c8 beeing passive. you talk about g3 giving whites king extra protection. this is correct but in the modern stonewall black plays on the queenside so it doesnt really matter much for black if white has a pawn on g2 or g3 as thats not where he is playing. white has a positional weakness(e5) and white has a positional weakness(lack of space). white doesnt have more active pieces than black so its equal
i didnt answer your post finn416 because there was no questions in it
maybe its possible to castle queenside i dont know. castling kingside is fine
Apperently noone is interested in my comments. I will delete them now.
Well I am interested in your comments.
Your the only person being nice to me as it turns out.
Why thank you. Turns out you're the only one here with common sense.
In your post # 69
If you are playing black in that position.
I would play the move 2...Nf6!
Yeah putting the knight on f6 is a very nice spot for that knight.
where in the position is this white small advantage? dont trust the computer on 0.40 :)
The small advantage's white has in this position are pretty obvious.
The e5 square is a permanent hole in the black position.
The g5 square is a very tender square.
White has more center space due to his c4 and d4 pawn's.
White has better piece activity.
Black's bishop on c8 is a very closed in piece.
As you can see the evaluation that white is slightly better in this position is perfectly justified.
thanks for the answer. the e5square is weak thats correct. this is what black sacrifices for having more space than white. i guess you could argue that white has more space on the queenside but white has much more space on the kingside and center. Blacks bishop on c8 usually goes d7e8h5 in the old variations but in modern variations b6 is the square for it so its not sitting on c8 beeing passive. you talk about g3 giving whites king extra protection. this is correct but in the modern stonewall black plays on the queenside so it doesnt really matter much for black if white has a pawn on g2 or g3 as thats not where he is playing. black has a positional weakness(e5) and white has a positional weakness(lack of space). white doesnt have more active pieces than black so its equal
Tell me the year that quote was mentioned in 1999?
2010.
How about a substantive response to my comment?
Well if you was looking for a substantive response I did give one on post #48
I simply was sharing my view point on how the Dutch is a very risky opening and how it has issues.
The issues which are present are reflected in high level chess.
How many chess players use the Dutch as a main weapon in high level chess?
I hear storys of people who use it once in a blue moon.
However, who uses it every single day as a main weapon.
The list seems to be very short.
X player - At the beginning, I was mortally terrified of this position - because white had entered the e5 hole before I was ready! But master games, stockfish, and practical play taught me to calm down, build my position, and remember that a pretty knight on e5 doesn't win the game if there's nothing to attack. My idea of the Dutch stonewall is very much a 'tortise' opening - slowly, steadily improve your Q side pieces, and worry about winning the race later. If I wanted to run down the board like a pack of rabid buffalo, I'd play the Benoni!
And actually X player, your review of the Dutch is *exactly* why I posted this thread - many players have this bad taste in their mouth as soon as they mention the Dutch...like "The DUTCH, you mean 'crazy stupid hacky thing that loses all the time'? NO way, man!" But for me *personally* (which isn't 2700 play by a long stretch) it's a pretty solid choice where I find myself winning technical endgames at least as often as cracking open the kingside (and the advanced f pawn is great in a tecnical ending!)
As a Dragon player I have to hear the same stereotypes. Both the Dragon and the Dutch are fundamentally sound. If the positions are not to your taste then don't play it, but people who say those openings ''suck'' are not worth your time.
Also, it bears mentioning that one can play much more cagily in the early moves to avoid committing to a position you won't like
@AlisonHart Post #84
At move 7 white can play all of those moves.
7.b3 the position is said to be = 0.24
7.Ne5 the position is said to be = 0.20
7.Qc2 the position is said to be +/= 0.32
7.Bf4 the position is said to be +/= 0.43
The most popular line is 7.b3.
The position is = 0.17
Yeah......but I'm not playing against a chess engine.....I'm playing against people who have to evaluate and make a move.
Well refutation is a strong word but black got a playable position :)
'refutation' is the wrong word.....but it is THE theoretical move that avoids annoying trades on d6 and maintains the excellent bishop (which can be worth an exchange often enough)
You know nothing about the Dutch and are just doing your normal sabotage of Openings Threads...why not piss off and do everyone a favor.
Who are you to tell me to go away????
You have not even contributed to this forum.
I find it astonishing that people are trying to hate on me for expressing a truthful observation!!
Do you people realize I am not the owner of this forum??
AlisonHart is the person who wrote this forum.
She typed the forum with the below title.
On reviling the Dutch
It is completely obvious the reason AlisonHart has wrote this title is because other people besides me have told her there is something wrong with the Dutch!!
She has never even heard my view point of the Dutch before until after she made this forum!!
So go ahead and smack your little head on the stone wall RogerOT if you wish to play chess in your own little chess bubble I do not care!
I will take the white pieces in this line once a week and twice on sunday.
There is a hole on e5 and everyone can visually see it!!
How can people say I am wrong?
When the evidence is staring them in the face!!