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kalavera
Good evening,
Here I begin a little can openings, but I have a problem of understanding.
I have a book on a directory of openings of the whites (Italian part), but later in this book he talks about the Sicilian defense.
So I understand that being a white player, there are examples of games showing how to do less against the Sicilian. But when I play the blacks how to learn the blows of the blacks (for example the Sicilian) must I use the same book and return my chessboard? In fact I feel that books are made for whites, there is talk of defense of blacks, but how to learn the basics for black?
In doing this is how we learn the repertoire of blacks, on chess.com the Sicilian defense there is a sudden, that's what I do not understand about the blacks
Sorry I am a beginner it is mainly a problem of concept (defense, and opening)

Thanks to those who can help me, good evening

 

 

kindaspongey

My experience is that a directory of openings is usually not much help on any one opening. To learn more about the Sicilian, one might want to turn to a book like Starting Out: The Sicilian, 2nd Edition.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf

"... For beginning players, [Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Once you identify an opening you really like and wish to learn in more depth, then should you pick up a book on a particular opening or variation. Start with ones that explain the opening variations and are not just meant for advanced players. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
"... To begin with, only study the main lines ... you can easily fill in the unusual lines later. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... For inexperienced players, I think the model that bases opening discussions on more or less complete games that are fully annotated, though with a main focus on the opening and early middlegame, is the ideal. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2010)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)

kalavera

Hello and thank you very much for your answer. But I'm not trying to learn more openness, but how to learn the game of blacks. In my book there is Sicilian defense, philidor defense, etc. But always white side. Should he in this case play the dark side by inverting the chessboard to learn the Sicilian playing the Sicilian defense? In fact is this a specific book for black openings and a specific book for opening blanks? I feel like I only find books on whites or defense against black.

When talking about caro-kann defense, this is a repertoire to learn for blacks, because I have the impression that there are often only two or three shots to talk about defense. My explanations may seem confusing wink.png

Thank you

rlian3

I think you are asking if you can learn a black opening (like the Sicilian) from a opening book that focuses on white's perspective?

kalavera

yes, that's exactly it happy.png

kindaspongey
kalavera wrote:

... In my book there is Sicilian defense, philidor defense, etc. But always white side. Should he in this case play the dark side by inverting the chessboard to learn the Sicilian playing the Sicilian defense? In fact is this a specific book for black openings and a specific book for opening blanks? I feel like I only find books on whites or defense against black. ...

Not sure what you have been looking at, but there certainly are books for white, and such books will be of only limited use for a player looking to learn how to play the Black side. For example, A Simple Chess Opening Repertoire For White advises White to react to 1 e4 c5 with 2 c3. If one is following that advice, one can pretty much ignore possibilities like 2 Nc3. Black, on the other hand, will want to learn about 2 Nc3 (and other stuff) by reading a book written with the idea of helping Black. There are books that have the intent to be of help to players of both sides, but, these days, I suppose the one-sided book is more common.

RussBell

 

You may want to consider the two opening repertoire books ("My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White/Black") by Vincent Moret.  He is a Frenchman - chess trainer.  The White repertoire book is available in a French language edition.  Not sure if the Black repertoire book is also available in French language at this time.   You can contact New In Chess publishers for more information.  The books are excellent for the beginner-novice.

https://www.newinchess.com/en_US/catalogsearch/result/?q=vincent+moret

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_12?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=vincent+moret&sprefix=vincent+more%2Cstripbooks%2C190&crid=MIJWS357X1O9

You may also find something of interest in the following list....there are opening books for Black and for White...

Good Chess Openings Books for Beginners and Beyond...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/good-chess-openings-books-for-beginners-and-beyond

 

 

 

kindaspongey

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf

kalavera

A big thank you for your messages. As I understand it there are good books for the defense of blacks and books for white openings.
It is true that one has the impression that there are more books on the whites than on the blacks.
I own Mr. Moret's two books in French, but I did not know if it was a fantasy on his part to help the beginner.

On Chess.com there is an example Sicilian defense 1 shot.

How do you do to learn blacks, you bought books for blacks or do otherwise.

I understand my low level it is not important to learn at the opening, but I can not often grasp the difference between defense, openness. defense is necessarily against the black hit.

I can not more than 40 years, surprisingly in Paris there is no adult club to teach me, fortunately than the existing forums.

Thanks again

kindaspongey
kalavera wrote:

... How do you do to learn blacks, you bought books for blacks or do otherwise. ...

I have tried to follow advice like that in post #2 above, using books intended to help Black and books intended to help both sides.

kalavera

Thank you very much for your intervention. It's funny to see that I was not the only one to have asked the question. Thanks and good luck to all wp.png

rlian3

Maybe it would be better finding a book that specifically covers the black side of the opening you want to learn than just flipping the book. Though reading the white perspective can help you see what white is aiming for. For example in in the Italian game white one important attacking idea is the f7 square so when you are playing black you should watch out for ideas like attacks against your f7 square with moves like Ng5.

rlian3

Maybe it would be better finding a book that specifically covers the black side of the opening you want to learn than just flipping the book. Though reading the white perspective can help you see what white is aiming for. For example in in the Italian game white one important attacking idea is the f7 square so when you are playing black you should watch out for ideas like attacks against your f7 square with moves like Ng5.

kalavera

Thank you very much for your message, it made me understand that there are opening books for whites and others for blacks. But as a beginner I did not understand why most explanations happen on the white side. Example: we talk about the Sicilian defense for the whites, but in the end blacks want to teach me Scandinavian, caro-khane, but never the Sicilian, the very one that we learn to fight with white. It's fun and pradox. :-) 

kindaspongey
kalavera wrote:

... most explanations happen on the white side. Example: we talk about the Sicilian defense for the whites, but in the end blacks want to teach me Scandinavian, caro-khane, but never the Sicilian, the very one that we learn to fight with white. It's fun and pradox. :-) 

I do not know what is available where you are, but, here, there is no difficulty finding books like Starting Out: The Sicilian, 2nd Edition that provide material useful to the player hoping to use the Sicilian as Black.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf

Admittedly, that book makes some attempt to also be helpful to White, but there are also books that have a for-Black approach to the Sicilian. For example: Chess Openings for Black, Explained

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627060405/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen75.pdf

A book for White can discuss one suggestion (for example, 2 c3) on how to proceed after 1 e4 c5. A Black Sicilian player is pretty much obliged to be ready for all the major White alternatives after 1 e4 c5. As noted above, some books try to help with that, but, in a Sicilian-for-Black book, it is somewhat more common to tackle only some part of the problem of preparation for Black to play the Sicilian. For example, one book might help Black to be ready to reply to 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 with 2...g6, while leaving the reader to turn to some other book for help with such things as how Black can react to 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

RussBell

 @kalavera -

In trying to decipher your concerns, it occurs to me that perhaps you don't realize that the Sicilian Defense is something that Black initiates (if I am incorrect about this, I apologize).  Thus, since the Sicilian Defense begins 1.e4 c5, it is something that Black is attempting to play against White.  Because of this, the MAJORITY of books written about the Sicilian Defense are written from Black's perspective! 

Of course, White must decide how s/he wishes to respond to the Sicilian Defense, so there are also many books written from the White perspective which address various replies by White.

The book list I posted earlier contains books from both the White and the Black perspective for many openings, including the Sicilian Defense.

kalavera

thank you so much for all this information and for the links. I understand that books are needed for each color. thank you and good evening

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:

... the MAJORITY of books written about the Sicilian Defense are written from Black's perspective! ...

I am not sure, but I think that kalavera may have been paying attention to books like the Moret books. I think it is rare (although not entirely unknown) for the Sicilian to be included in a book that suggests a repertoire for Black. A White repertoire book can just cover something like 1 e4 c5 2 c3, but that is not an option for a Black repertoire book. I think that, most (but not all) of the time, a Black-perspective Sicilian book is only trying to address part of the preparation for a player who wants to reply to 1 e4 with 1...c5.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:

... the MAJORITY of books written about the Sicilian Defense are written from Black's perspective! ...

I am not sure, but I think that kalavera may have been paying attention to books like the Moret books. I think it is rare (although not entirely unknown) for the Sicilian to be included in a book that suggests a repertoire for Black. A White repertoire book can just cover something like 1 e4 c5 2 c3, but that is not an option for a Black repertoire book. I think that, most (but not all) of the time, a Black-perspective Sicilian book is only trying to address part of the preparation for a player who wants to reply to 1 e4 with 1...c5.

With regard to the portion of my statement that you quote, I am simply trying to make the almost obvious point that most books which deal exclusively with the topic of the Sicilian Defense, whether from Black's or White's perspective, are written from Black's perspective.