Ponziani Opening

  • #321

    Yeah very, the same as with her attack vs Nakamura, she's playing some interesting chess.

  • #322

    Lol, it's funny how c3 is marked as -0.05 :D

  • #323

    Looks like Carlsen has read this thread - he follows pfren`s recommendations. Cool

  • #324

    He played f6 instead of Bb4 on move 9, probably forgot the correct move order Wink

  • #325
    Scottrf wrote:

    He played f6 instead of Bb4 on move 9, probably forgot the correct move order

    He deviates to avoid opening preparations. Wink

  • #326

    So what are the moves so far and how can I follow the game?

  • #327

    Yes, he didn't check, which is new, and does not seem bad. He followed the rest of the plan, though. Black is still very comfortable.

  • #328

    come on guys what are the moves and how can i follow the game?

  • #329

    I posted the link some posts ago. Maybe you will be able to find it somehow.

  • #330

    Link in post 323:

  • #331

    12.e6 is enterprising, and most probably wrong. White has to play something brutal like 12...Qd6 13.Nc3 0-0-0 14 a4!? to justify it. I don't believe this sort of chess can work here, though.

  • #332

    I would have made a different 9th move for White.

     

    thanks for giving link to the game 

  • #333

    Now that she has played 12. e6 she may be in trouble and my guess she is going to have to try pushing her" " pawn at some point to try and justify her e6 move..

  • #334

    should read "a" pawn

  • #335
    ponz111 wrote:

    I would have made a different 9th move for White.

     

    thanks for giving link to the game 

    What would you play? I'd probably go with Nc3.

  • #336

    Yes, 9. Nc3  but I would not play  6. Bc4 either and we avoided that line in our vote chess games.

     

    However Carlsen is playing a line very similar to what Pfren suggested against 6. Bc4  which goes to show both  Pfren and Carlsen think much alike at least in this particular variation!

  • #337

    While this opening variation will come down in flames--I am kinda glad it was played as I have analyzed it a little. 

  • #338

    I cannot see (after casually looking at the position) white going anywhere after 9.Nc3 or 9.Nbd2.

    Black can answer both by castling long, but he can also play 9.Nbd2 Bb4!? when again the pressure against d4 is annoying.

    In short, Carlsen's handling (no ...Bb4+) is perfectly good, and gives Black a splendid game.

    For the record, poor Hou was convincingly busted.

    6.Bc4 looks like being totally toothless, factly I am not sure how white can play to get equality.

    For the record, this variation should be fine for Black even for meeting the Goring gambit.

  • #339

    You are correct that the variation 6. Bc4 is a bad variation and that is why we have abandoned that variation in our little group. [or I should say we never even started rather than "abandoned"]

    We have seen 3 games in a row where in the variations White chose inferior lines by these super grandmasters.  Maybe some day we will get lucky and they will play the better theory lines in these particular variations. 

  • #340

    The problem with sometimes playing an opening such as the Ponziani is there is no way they can know the latest and best theory.  They play it apparently as a gamble as the other guy will not know the best theory also. 

    [other girl in this case]

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