Ponziani Opening

Well, then I will concede the point that many Centaur chess players would not do very well in USCF rated over the board tournaments.

I am quite willing to look at evidence and change my mind.  However I was only referring to one particular player who was skilled enough to win the USA correspondence championship. [that may be a special situation giving what it takes to win such a championship]

In fact , I believe that if an OTB player switches to CC play and uses engines and then attempts a return to OTB play his OTB results will suffer and his rating is likely to fall .  The engine use and having ample time to boot beomes a crutch .  These crutches , suddenly removed , in OTB play will have a very negative impact on the OTB player . Bigpoison's example is as I suspect . Now Ponz you can try and find an example of a strong CC player that has increased his OTB rating by 2 classes , or more , and I will be forced to reconsider but I doubt you can find such an example .  Where can I find a list of the top US CC players ?  I would like to compare their OTB ratings to their CC ratings . 

Reb, I was talking about a 350 point increase not two full classes.

However, looking at the evidence your point makes more sense

than what I was saying and so I concede the point.

In fact OTB and centaur chess are completely different things.

So are men and women,,,

Obviously you have no idea what are you talking about. As usually.

About as suspect as Brians Walls so called refutation actually being his and not belonging to any of his binary servants....

Here are the OTB ratings for those top 10 CC players : 

1 1796 

2 2242 

3 UNR 

4 1505 

5 UNR 

6 1745 

7 1224 

8 UNR

9 UNR 

10 1300 

this list is more difficult to establish OTB ratings for : 

http://www.iccfus.com/ranks.htm

Yes, its rather obvious that the top USCC players are indeed using engines, whether allowed or not . How else can a 1300 OTB player be among the top 10 in the USA ? 

There is also the USA ICCF Correspondence and they have a list of the top 60 currently active.  Many of my friends are at the top of the list.

When I was playing the top player from the USCF Correspondence was seeded into a spot in the finals. 

I have given up just about all chess fairly recently.  I was playing vote chess and 15 minute chess.

Are there 2 US CC Championships? (ICCF and USCF?)

I used to like CC play , back when we used post cards and the best computers were not even 2200 strength , those days are gone . I gave it up in the 90s . 

Reb. then you might remember the anticipation of getting the mail each day with a new postcard or two with a move or two to consider?

Ofcourse I do but sometimes I might get 10 or so and that was a burden !  LOL  I sometimes had 50 or more games going at once . I was a member of USCF , CCLA , APCT , ICCF and was always playing in all of them ... 

I was also playing 50 games at once and was a member of APCT and CCLA and later ICCF. It is a wonder that apparently we never played each other?

I was in Alaska building a church and received postal cards before Alaska was a state... 

It is statements like this that make me regret any harsh words I have ever had for you Ponz.  The truth as I told you about a year ago is, you and your minitures are the reason I began playing chess again.  Whatever came between us, i am truly sorry for.

Kant, it takes a whole lot of gumption to make an apology on a public forum so of course I accept that we both try and leave the bad feelings between us.

Thank you for your consideration.  I will send you a private message.