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[Event "Unity Sunday"]
[Site "Unity Chess Club, Scottsbluff, Arizona"]
[Date "2013.06.9"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Brian Wall"]
[Black "Pedram Atoufi"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2248"]
[BlackElo "2363"]
[Opening "Ponziani opening"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "9 PM"]
[TimeControl "Game/30 + a 5 second increment"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5 4. Bb5 dxe4 5. Nxe5 Qd5 6. Qa4 Nge7 7. Nxc6 Nxc6
8. O-O Bd6 9. d4 O-O 10. Be2 Bd7 11. Na3 Qf5 12. Qd1 Ne7 13. Nc4 Ng6 14.
Nxd6 cxd6 15. f4 Bc6 16. g4 Qa5 17. f5 Nh4 18. c4 d5 19. b3 Qc3 20. Bg5 Qh3
21. Bxh4 Qxh4 22. Qd2 Rad8 23. Qe3 h6 24. c5 Qg5 25. Qxg5 hxg5 26. b4 f6 27.
b5 Bd7 28. Rfc1 Rc8 29. Kf2 Kf7 30. h3 Rh8 31. Bf1 g6 32. fxg6+ Kxg6 33. Kg3
f5 34. gxf5+ Bxf5 35. Rc3 Rh4 36. c6 Rh7 37. Rac1 Rhc7 38. cxb7 Rxc3+ 39.
Rxc3 Rb8 40. Rc7 Kf6 41. a4 Ke6 42. a5 Kd6 43. Rg7 Bd7 44. a6 Rf8 45. b6
Rf3+ 46. Kh2

1-0   Atoufi absconds

Brian Wall - Pedram Atoufi   click and move

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BrianWall

Burns-Wall click and move

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The Stefan Burns Variation

Moving very slowly in both Backgammon and Chess the learned religious scholar
came up with this on September 29, 2012 at the 16th Street mall:

[Event "Casual Chess"]
[Site "16th Street mall"]
[Date "2012.09.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stefan Burns"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "Provisional"]
[BlackElo "2207"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[PlyCount "20"]
[TimeControl "None"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. cxd7+??

This logical looking check-capture only helps me
develop and protect me from the ravages of 8 Qd5!!

8 ... Bxd7!! 9. Nxe5

This greedy capture is even more disastrous than the first.

9 ... Bb5+!! 10. Ke1?

10 c4! Qf6!!
or
10 Nd3 Nf2!!
are also debacleous.

10 ... Bf2# 0-1

Burns-Wall click and move

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[Event "Casual Chess"]
[Site "16th Street mall"]
[Date "2012.09.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stefan Burns"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "Provisional"]
[BlackElo "2207"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[PlyCount "20"]
[TimeControl "None"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+
7. Ke2 Bb6 8. cxd7+ Bxd7 9. Nxe5 Bb5+ 10. Ke1 Bf2#

0-1

Burns-Wall click and move

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red-lady
ponz111 wrote:

Here is another rather funny quote in vote chess:  "I consider the Bishop retreat to be a minor victory and a sign we are playing idiots."

Who said this?

That is from the same game. If I remember it well, it was DrSpudnik. Yes, you have been called a lot of 'things' in that game. So sorry Wink

ponz111

It was all in fun and we take and took it that way.  I remember your team kept making such good moves that we thought it might be some kind of prepared variation! 

red-lady

It was a nice game, yes. And they are all very friendly people. If it wasn't for my mistake, I believe they would have won the game. We had some pretty good players in the team.

But thanks! We should do it again some day, but I read somewhere you are out of the team. Too bad. It wouldn't be the same since it was you they were after Tongue Out

LoekBergman

Well, I have put the results of the lines found by kantifields and me together with the lines of Brian Wall in one pgn. Here it is:

I would like to get more feedback on those lines.

@Ponz111: do you see some moves we don't see in this variation and that are crucial for the evaluation of this line?

ponz111

My playing/analysis days are now behind me. Not able to give a good analysis of the above variation. 

Pastuszek

You can read our comments too dear Estragon! Only after the game had finished...Embarassed

ponz111

Estragon are  you not aware that as soon as the game is over you can use "archive" to see all of the other team's comments for every move?

If you did not know this--you would [ I am sure] be quite interested in viewing the day to day comments of other teams which are available as soon as each game is over.

ponz111

Victor, I aqm not sure what your comment means?

ponz111

I find it very interesting after each vote chess game to go to archives and see all the comments of the other teams for each move.

There are some teams such as "The Others" which are very good at making comments and discussing the moves.  The team I used to be on "Ponziani Power" quite probably had the best and most extensive discussion of each move than almost any other team.

Then, there are some teams who seem to just vote with no discussion at all. 

What I found amazing was a couple of teams which had no discussion at all but yet were playing above the master level.

kantifields
Victor-Servranckx wrote:

It is essential to clean up at the as to protect intellectual property.


We leave our comments, and read other peoples comments after the game, so we can complete the learning experience for everyone.

kantifields

Here is Bill's line.  Black will need to win with the initiative now because the material imbalance favors white.

Personally, I question white's 8th move.

ponz111

In the above line what does White play after 15. Ke1  e4

LoekBergman
ponz111

I do not see a reply to my suggestion of 15. Ke1  e4

LoekBergman

After 15. Ke1 would I play 15... Qc2, threatening Qd1# and Qxc1+. The mate can be prevented, but at the cost of the loss of a lot of material.

ponz111

So, the nice position by kant and lock can be avoided by Black and the draw stll is there.

Mr. Wall has an excellent and very intereting variation.  Right now, while very complicated, appears tl lead to a draw.  However the lines ae very complicated.

If anyone can find a line in the Fraziar whidh retaains a slight White advantage--I will give them a prize.

Almost every good player knows that any sound opening playedd perfectly will end in a draw.

Thus the Frazier only speeds up the draw process and is not really a "refutation" of the Ponziani.

However, kudos, for his line!

Hadron
FirebrandX wrote:

> On move 4, there's even less to work with. 4.d3 has been mentioned, but this is just a garbage move that gives black too much of an easy game.<

 

LOLZ @ you. I love it when people use sound bytes to dismiss ideas in chess: "garbage move"?

So it's blitz and one of the greatest players of the modern game but it is not what you play but how you play it. If you dismiss any idea out of hand in such a way as FirebrandX has, you are just asking for trouble....

LoekBergman

I have looked shortly at 10. Be3 and 10. Bg5. I don't think that it works out.

15. Nbd2 is not a good move. If there is any improvement, then should it be at move 12, 13 or 14. Those moves are all queen moves by white in the end forcing the black queen to a very good diagonal.

The move 14. Qh4 is the first suspect, because it helps white. After 12... c6 might 13. Qb3 be better then 13. Qc4. Qb3 protects the field c2 and does not save black a tempo by forcing the queen to a good attacking field.