Positional, quiet and solid answer to the Grünfeld
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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Bd2
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8. Nf3 exd5 9. e3
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Qa4+
All of these are lines you should look into
I think the most postional openings against the Gruenfeld would be:
- Russian System (5.Qb3)
- Burille Variation (5.e3)
- Petrosian Variation (5.Bg5)
- Counterthrust Variation (3.g3)
GM Akobian(?) made two videos on the Bg5 variation on the St.Louis chess club site.
Another quiet system with e3 is the immediate 4.e3. The game can get sharp if the players want though.
Unless I missed something (which is possible, although I have watched a lot of Akobian lectures on the SLCC site because I am a big Akobian fan), Akobian made video lectures in favor of the Bg5 K.I.D. but not Grunfeld.
dpnorman wrote:
Unless I missed something (which is possible, although I have watched a lot of Akobian lectures on the SLCC site because I am a big Akobian fan), Akobian made video lectures in favor of the Bg5 K.I.D. but not Grunfeld.
He actually did it with both which is pretty convenient! One game he played with IM Pruess and I can't remember who the other game was against.
Wojo used a kingside fianchetto system against the Grunfeld, as he did in general.
I wouldn't want to say it was boring or the least sharp and tactical, but it was generally slow and positional.
See Wojo's Weapons, Vol 3.
4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Bd2 is a very interesting sideline, occasionally played by several top GM's, although not necessarily "boring".
Judging from all the commentors posts. All I can say is it sure does seem like the OP is going to be disappointed. None of the lines mentioned are boring lines. They sound like exciting positional heaven. Some sweet chess action. 100 move grind in progress. Music to my ears.
When you face someone you shall say in the chat. It shall be a dance. A slow dance my little pigeon. Is truly romatic chess? YES
The Grünfeld Fianchetto variation apparently seems to fit my criteria of "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
Being forced to also play the Fianchetto variation against the King's Indian Defense is not a problem since it seems that the KID Fianchetto variation is also extremely "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
But doesn't theory say that the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation gives Black equality?
In fact I've heard that some people who play the KID as Black switch to the Grünfeld when facing a Kingside Fianchetto by White, because the KID Fianchetto variation is good for White but the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation isn't as good for White and gives Black equality if he knows what he's doing.
Fiveofswords wrote:
Skynet wrote:
The Grünfeld Fianchetto variation apparently seems to fit my criteria of "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
Being forced to also play the Fianchetto variation against the King's Indian Defense is not a problem since it seems that the KID Fianchetto variation is also extremely "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
But doesn't theory say that the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation gives Black equality?
In fact I've heard that some people who play the KID as Black switch to the Grünfeld when facing a Kingside Fianchetto by White, because the KID Fianchetto variation is good for White but the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation isn't as good for White and gives Black equality if he knows what he's doing.
absolutely every opening gives black equality if he knows what hes doing
Not really true. I think you could argue white has some small advantage in the exchange Grunfeld, and even the most mainline KIDs are giving black theoretical problems
Fiveofswords wrote:
absolutely every opening gives the opponents a game of chess if they know how the pieces are moving.
Here it is- corrected for you gratis...
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Skynet wrote:
The Grünfeld Fianchetto variation apparently seems to fit my criteria of "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
Being forced to also play the Fianchetto variation against the King's Indian Defense is not a problem since it seems that the KID Fianchetto variation is also extremely "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
But doesn't theory say that the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation gives Black equality?
In fact I've heard that some people who play the KID as Black switch to the Grünfeld when facing a Kingside Fianchetto by White, because the KID Fianchetto variation is good for White but the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation isn't as good for White and gives Black equality if he knows what he's doing.
Well, take your pick. Do you want Quiet? Or do you want an advantage? You can't have your cake and eat it too!
The strongest lines against the Grunfeld end up in a wild mess more often than not. It's the nature of the beast. Deal with it!
The Leningrad Dutch is the same deal. If you want any remote advantage, you're going to have to deal with positions that are the total opposite of quiet. It's just like how a tactican can't force a wild game without destroying his own position. If Black goes for a Najdorf, great, you got your wish, but if he plays a Petroff or Berlin, dream on about wild tactics and deal with it. Force the issue and you'll lose instantly!
Skynet wrote:
The Grünfeld Fianchetto variation apparently seems to fit my criteria of "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
Being forced to also play the Fianchetto variation against the King's Indian Defense is not a problem since it seems that the KID Fianchetto variation is also extremely "positional, quiet, solid, slow, boring and strategic".
But doesn't theory say that the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation gives Black equality?
In fact I've heard that some people who play the KID as Black switch to the Grünfeld when facing a Kingside Fianchetto by White, because the KID Fianchetto variation is good for White but the Grünfeld Fianchetto variation isn't as good for White and gives Black equality if he knows what he's doing.
I believe GM Roman Dzindzichashvili once said there is no such thing as good openings in chess. However, there are bad openings in chess.
The Kings Indian Defense is a good opening. I love that line I play it myself. It is playable.
However, when you face the fianchetteo variation with the KID it just turns into a bad opening. It doesn't do so great against the fianchetteo variation.
In the KID black trys to undermine the over extended pawns. They usually have dynamic compensation. In the fianchetteo variation there is no over extended pawns. White in a way has not commited all his pawns. The Dynamic play really isn't there.
What usually ends up happening is a positional fight. In which white most times just has an advantage in space. The fianchetteo variation is positional and positionally he is better with more space.
I believe the reason KID players turn the position into the Gruenfeld is in a way to try and mirror white. They also try and fight for there fair share of the center as well. Which helps them more positionally.
The Gruenfeld and the Catalan usually are very close related. They both move there C and D pawns and they both fianchetteo.
It is like the closest line black has in a since to try and mirror whites play.
I do not believe it gives black any sort of huge advantage over the fianchetteo variation. I believe the position is probably more or less equal. I believe they tranpose into a Gruenfeld because they try to have better positional prospects.
@X PLAYER JX There's a good video series on beating the Fianchetto Variation. Not only do they explain how to play best against the Fianchetto setup, but they also spell the word "Fianchetto" correctly.
dpnorman wrote:
@X PLAYER JX There's a good video series on beating the Fianchetto Variation. Not only do they explain how to play best against the Fianchetto setup, but they also spell the word "Fianchetto" correctly.
Fianchetto Variation vs Gruenfeld.
I believe the position is close to equal yet probably equal in whites favor.
Fianchetto Variation vs KID.
I believe the position favors white. Positionally he is better.
Which is why when ever I play the KID and my opponent plays the Fianchetto Variation I try to play something that can give me slightly better prospects.
Whites position is solid. I do not believe the Gruenfeld crushes the Fianchetteo Variation.
What I believe is the Gruenfeld offers black better hope than the KID vs the Fianchetteo Variation that is what I believe.
However, that is my interpretation of the position. I'm not a title player so obviously you will just have to take it at its own face value.