Problem in Trompowsky
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Recently I have studied the Trompowsky quit a lot, but I can’t find anything about what to do in following example: 1. d4 d5 2. Bg5 h6. Do I retreat with the bishop and convert it into a London or what do I do?
Dec 31, 2021
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william1808 wrote:
Recently I have studied the Trompowsky quit a lot, but I can’t find anything about what to do in following example: 1. d4 d5 2. Bg5 h6. Do I retreat with the bishop and convert it into a London or what do I do?
The Psuedo-Tromp (1.d4 d5 2.Bg5) is not very good at all. Against 2...h6, the main line is 3.Bh4, but the problem with the Psuedo-Tromp is 2...f6!, which Pert covers thoroughly in his Trompowsky book, but he also admits you are best off reserving 2.Bg5 for 1...Nf6 and 1...f5.
None of the QP openings make a good "One Size Fits All". They all have cases where they are bad.
Trompowsky - Not good against 1...d5 because of 2...f6.
Torre - No good against 1...d5 or 1...Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 due to 3...Ne4. It should be used against 1...Nf6/2...g6 or 1...Nf6/2...e6.
London - No good against the Modern Defense. 1...g6 2.Bf4? Bg7 3.e3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 (4...Nd7 is also good) 5.h3 e5! 6.Bg3 = (6.dxe5? dxe5 =/+ after 7.Bg3, 7.Bg5? f6 -/+)
Colle - No good unless the black LSB is blocked by his own e-pawn. 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 or 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 b6 and now 4.Bd3! And 5.c3 or 5.b3. After 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 and now 3...Bf5 or 3...Bg4, Only move for White is 4.c4, usually leading to a Slav after 4...c6.
Jobava - Also inferior to the Modern Defense.
Oh ok, thanks for your help!
But couldn’t I play a raptor variation after 2…f6? Or does the raptor only work with Ne4?
Jan 3, 2022
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I have never heard of the Raptor Variation. What is that? I may have seen it and know it under a different name.
And in general, you cannot blindly play moves and just ignore what your opponent is doing. As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread, there is no one size fits all. YOU WILL FAIL trying to force a OSFA.
The Trompowsky Attack is a perfectly fine Opening against 1...Nf6, and 2.Bg5 is fine against the Dutch (though it is not a Trompowsky and does not play like one).
2.Bg5 is not good against any other responses. You need to study your openings from the perspective of the whole board, not just the color pieces you are playing!
Jan 3, 2022
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#6
raptor is d4 nf6 bg5 ne4 h4 i just checked
and no d4 d5 bg5 f6 h4 just loses to fxg5!
I’m definitely gonna try it out
Chess is more fun when you play the bongcloud!!
1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 is not a silly opening. Actually I have played this as white against various opposition.
I think that the best reaction is the same as in the normal Trompowsky: fixing the center. 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5!? Nf6
Of course you may insert 2...h6 first, (3.Bh4 Nf6), but this does not make much of a difference. Actually in some lines the insertion of ...h6 may help white to castle long, and initiate a kingside attack with g4/h4/g5. I have won a (far from flawless) game against a Grandmaster using this plan.
#11 against the Pseudo-Trompowsky Black can be more ambitious with 2... f6! Which works really well. if 3. Bh4 then 3... Nh6 intending Nf5 is much better for Black
ConfusedGhoul wrote:
#11 against the Pseudo-Trompowsky Black can be more ambitious with 2... f6! Which works really well. if 3. Bh4 then 3... Nh6 intending Nf5 is much better for Black
3.Bf4 is a better reply, which by best reply may result in a rich, unbalanced position.
And Black is certainly not "much better" after 3.Bh4 Nh6 4.f3, or even 4.c4.
Jan 4, 2022
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#12
rich wrote:
The Raptor is good to play, but I prefer the Edge variation. Usually end's up with 1.d4, Nf6, 2.Bg5, 2.Ne4, 3.Bh4, 3.g5, 4.f3, 4.gxh4 5.xe4. But most people don't follow the main line's which makes it more good to play.
In that 1-day daily event that started on Saturday, which is a complete joke - 9 of 12 in my section have forfeited, I actually faced that line - 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bh4 g5 4.f3 gxh4 5.fxe4 and played 5...c5! (The strongest move).
Note that this line can also come via 3...c5 4.e3 g5 .if.
I will not say anything else that has happened this particular game, but most that play these lines as Black know what they are doing. Doubt you'd get anything other than 5...c5 or 5...e5 if this line is played. Other moves make no sense.
We are further in than here. Will comment no further on this until that game is done!