QP Openings

Which of the following QP openings is the most sound for white ?

1. Trompowsky Attack  2. Torre Attack  3. Colle-Zukertort

4. London System  5. Veresov Attack

If I had to play one I would take #3.

although a systematic setup theres saftey for the most part and youll get some good Kside attacks

They are all 100% sound.

I'd say the London and Tromp were the best. I'd say the London could be used as a deliberate "make your opponent yawn" choice :-) The Tromp gives rise to some of the most interesting positions in chess.

For black I like early c5 againt the Veresov and Torre. IMO the Colle traps white's dark square bishop. I especially like a Grunfeld setup against the latter.

colle is good quite verstile i probably would not play the zukertort because i am not very aggresive

So, RainbowRising, it appears that you like the Dutch Defense.

the dutch is a good defence and if you let black get in e5 backed up by the queen and or the rook you r toast

Personal choice really they are all Ok.

I dont like the Tromp, I know it has a loyal following but I do not like giving the two Bishops up, also black can play around with his move orders and avoid it.

You cant play the Torre ( sensibly) against d5, but it is an Ok surprise weapon.

The London is solid but unambitious, black can easily equalise, but he can get slaughtered.

The CZ, I dont believe it anyway it doesnt work against g6 lines.   

Dont know anything about the Veresov, might know it as a different name in the UK.

If you are an ambitious young player you play Queens Gambit, Exchange Variation, most black players hate it.

You don't necessarily have to give up the dark square bishop in the Tromp. It can go to f4 or h4 with subsequent development.

Playing outside your comfort zone is the best way to learn. The Zuke is fun, but my biggest complaint is that I hardly ever got to play it when I was starting with 1. d4 trying to play the Colle-Zuke. Most opponents answered with some sort of anti-Colle line that prevented it.

 All true, but if you have limited time for study it might be worth sacrificing a theoretical edge to gain a practical edge by playing a decent system you know well as opposed to a superior system you know less well and will be more inclined to make mistakes.  Please note, decent does not mean gimmicky, Englund gambit, St. Georges defense, etc.  I'd name more but I don't want the thread to dissolve into:  MY ________, is not a gimmick, I win with it! Why GM XXX played it and beat __________. (Jemptymethod tell us about the Budapest-which is closer to decent than gimmicky but is not "They are all equally cowardly attempts to avoid the Budapest 2...e5 which refutes 2. c4?! in response to 1...Nf6").

One possible compromise is a dual opening repatoire.  One for OTB that involves limited choices/options and limited advantages.  e.g. White: Tromp Black: Dutch and Scandinavian.  And a second one for CC/turn based that offers greater chances but, because you can use opening references, you need not fear losing due to memory lapses.  Thus you will learn the better openings, gaining valuable experiance in their patterns and play and can later switch your OTB play to the better openings.  e.g. White: Main line QP, Black: Najdorf and KID.

to answer the original question, colle zukertort is the best of those and the one gms choose to use from time to time

If you check a dBase I think you will find the Tromp has the greater GM use.  Its dropped off in recent years as trends and fashion have changed but still the more played.

Probably true.

Colle-Zuke fans like to point out that it's been used by Yusupov quite a bit, and GM Summerscale used to use it, but I can't think of any other GM's who used it after attaining their GM title. Susan Polgar used it as a kid, and still recommends it for beginners and intermediates, but I don't know if she ever used it as a GM.

Some GM's are bound to even use openings like the colle sometimes. IM Basman likes openings like 1 g4 and the st. george, and shows it's possible, but more difficult (well it depends on how much the psychology has affected them!) to win with them, but as a strong player that uses openings like that he's in a huge minority. There are presidents that almost everyone, but not everyone, voted for.

There is no law that as a GM you must play the best openings, it's just that they do it because they want as much of a chance of advantage as they can and still understand the theoretically best lines, but it's still possible for a GM to prefer something else, or at least play systems like this occasionally.

The best thing that can be said about the Budapest Gambit is that it is not the Englund Gambit. The Budapest is just an awful opening for black. It's just another one of those easy-to-learn attempts to avoid spending time on openings.

there are other reasons for it not beeing registered that often also.the zukertort is used alot as a transpositional tool. if your opponent plays something that makes the zukertort bad you can tranpose into 2.c4lines with c4. because of that it will not be in any database as zukertortgames. because of that i think its also a great opening for learning a serious d4repetoire. you can start with only zukertort and transpose right back to mainlines with c4 against the openings you are ready for:)

can  you show me those lines?:)

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 g6

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 g6 (the so-called "Sneaky Grunfeld")

Basically, the Zuke is designed to attack black's castled king under the assumption that the bishop will come out to e7 or d6. If black plays g6 and Bg7 instead, then the setup isn't right for that. But there are other lines white can play instead.

playing as black, I also hate playing the exchange varaition. I'm starting to take up the dutch as well. Do you guys know any good websites on the dutch?