Queen Pawn and Sicilian Dragon

How does black play the sicillian dragon against the queen pawn opening? Or is that just a bad idea to begin with? I am particulalry fond of the dragon and I like to play it everytime I play black but the queen pawn opening throughs me off my game.

The modern Benoni plays many of the same moves as the Sicilian dragon and is very sharp in its own rite......however, the Benoni is *not* the dragon - because the structure is fundamentally different. Still, you might want to look into it. 

I'm not really recommending any specific line for either color here - you have to explore that yourself - I'm just showing the bare basics of what you're going to do as black: Nf6, c5, e6, trade on d5 (essentially non negotiable) and then you have a lot of choices, but the main idea is to finachetto kingside, play d6, a6-b5, and expand on the queenside. It's a very tactical, dangerous position that I rather despise with the white pieces, but, from a black perspective, I could see a Siclian dragon player liking the feel of the mainline Benoni. 

You can get to a Dragon like Maroczy bind via the King's Indian but probably only if the opponent lets you. So you might want to be comfortable with the KID before aiming for this.

Here's one with 7...cxd4 looking Dragon like:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106303

Here's one without 7...cxd4 to stay KID:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067810

Thanks for the comments. I'll stop with the dragon in response to the queen pawn. The king's indian looks interesting, I'll give that a go

I am actually very curious to know. If there is a way to get an Hyper Accelerated Dutch Dragon type of position from the Queen Pawn opening.

Again this idea might be totally nuts. An I'm not exactly sure on the move order lol. However, I just want to share my idea.

In the below example I'm sure many would agree that is the Sicilian Hyper - Accelerated Dragon.

As you can see the reason the move c5 is played is to prevent the pawn dou of e4 and d4. In a way black is trying to get control of that square.

Now my question is if the same approach can be done in a similar fashion vs the Queen pawn Opening.

I know about the

• Classical Dutch, I believe they usually play there pawns to e6 and d6
• Lenigrand Dutch, I believe they usually fianchetteo the dark bishop (king side fianchetteo)
• Stone Wall Dutch, I believe they usually have there pawns on like f5,d5,e6,c6

However, is there a Dutch line with like a Queen side fianchetteo only?

I do not play the Dutch so I do not know all the lines white plays against it. I'm just wondering if it is possible. I showed a line below. However, I don't think that is the best continuation.

I do not play the Dutch lol. An usually I play the Catalan/Kings Fianchetteo against it.

If I'm wrong feel free to correct me. I have no idea lol how to play the Dutch. There has to be a line which is more widely played.

I don't know would that be like the Open Dutch Hyper-Accelerated Dragon.

So what exactly does white usually do next?

The idea I have is to play b6 and castle queen side.

I mean white can give a check there. However, I don't know what that will do. I mean should I be worryed about that check.

As an unfortunate Dutch enthusiast, I don't think you should look to play a 'backward dragon' because the Siclian and the Dutch have one very fundamental difference: Moving the f pawn creates a very specific 'structure of risk' down the light squared diagonals that intersect f7, this means you have to get your king out of the center *immediately*, no stopping to spend 2 tempi putting the LSB on a nice square. I've had my king stuck in the center in the Dutch before, it's not pretty - you get butchered like a goat. You must go f5, Nf6, build your structure (whether the stonewall, the classical, or the Leningrad), and castle immediately - that's mandatory if you want to avoid dying. After that, the Dutch is very flexible and allows for a lot of plans - including a Q side fianchetto.

Here's a conservative plan: 

Here's a hacky, crazy plan:

Well its a very crazy Idea. However, I wanted to try a very interesting idea.

An here is something funny I found out. I put the position into stockfish trying to see what would happen. An the funny part is white gets 1 pawn advantage. It seems like it would be much higher but I guess not. It does seem white can win with a 1 pawn advantage. However, Its amusing to see the engines way of playing the position.

I stopped the engine right there. Which makes it seem very interesting.

Yeah that line loses a pawn which white should be able to win. So I wonder were the area of improvement is. Maybe the whole idea itself is bad. I also consider about 1...e6. However, I don't know to be honest.

"I am actually very curious to know. If there is a way to get an Hyper Accelerated Dutch Dragon type of position from the Queen Pawn opening."

Related to ...f5 and ...b6, it might work best for Black, as in both the Dutch and QID, when they go for control of both e4 and d5 with maybe d5 the most critical. In the QID, ...Nf6 ...e6 & ...Bb7 appears to take care of that early. In the Dutch, ...f5 ...e6 ...Nf6 & ...d5 in the Stonewall seems to handle it also.

Mixing the two with both ...f5, & something covering d5, & playing a ...b6 prep for ...Bb7 might take too long and allow White too much of a free hand early. But the idea seems sound if the timing's OK.

Here's a game where ...f5 after some prep and some misplaced White pieces did come in handy:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1042533