Queen's Gambit Declined Tarrasch Defense, Pseudo-Tarrasch

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Fine if you don't mind an isolated queen pawn, of course. 

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Yeah that is a weakness in the opening

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Not necessarily a weakness...

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well that's one way of looking at it

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That is perfectly playable and leads to some interesting positions. White is easily fine.

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What's the Tarrasch Marshall Gambit got to do with the Original Post?

I think he's calling it the Psuedo-Tarrasch because White played Nf3 instead of Nc3.

There's a whole chapter in Grandmaster Repertoire 10 - The Tarrasch Defense on what to do as Black against lines without Nc3. 

If White plays 4.Nc3, then 4...cxd4 is fine for Black.  Direct transposition to 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.Nf3 cxd4.

If White plays 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3, it's a direct transposition to the main line.

If White continues with g3, Bg2, O-O, etc and by-passes Nc3, and in many cases plays an eventual Nbd2, you are now in the territory of the chapter mentioned.

There's nothing wrong with the position in the OP for either player.  Someone loses this game, it's not because of any of the first 3 moves by either player!

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Play 3.Nc3 and have no problems with c5!!!

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Tarrasch Marshall Gambit Post appreciated

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I started with Nf3 in the opening however 1 Nf3 e6

                                                                  2 c4 d5

                                                                  3 d4 c5

and we are both Richard Reti repertoire players, so we are playing very sharply and hypermodernly. Can anyone advice a good move to make as white for this 'queens-gambit declined' tarrasch defense, pseudo Tarrasch?

Also, if Nc3 was the best move for white, which move should I have made differently in the Reti? Thanks alot!

My gander is the move 2. e4 which is the French Defense Night variation as it has similar values to the Reti, which are to wait for your opponent to make a key move to know their plan, mainly-

The crucial questions being:

  1. How is White planning to respond to the move 2…d5?
  2. Is White planning to play the move d4 later?

If White meets 2…d5 by advancing the pawn to e5, you have an Advance Variation. If White meets 2…d5 by capturing on d5, you have an Exchange Variation. If White meets 2…d5 by defending it with 3.Nc3, you have a Main Line.

The best way to react to each of those White options is a whole separate topic, but if White doesn’t play d4 later, you’ve basically got an improved version of the equivalent 2.d4 position. On d4, the pawn controls e5 and allows both White bishops to develop. On d2 or d3, it doesn’t control e5 and blocks at least one bishop in.

BUT then black can and assuredly will just play d5, and I will have to make a decisive move 

Sooo, e4 or d4 for any reti players out there XD but which one???

 

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OK, I figured it out , or rather , wiki did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasch_Defense#Swedish_Variation

Play the main line 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.g3 Nf6 , just swap out five knight f three with knight c three, should work