queen's pawn opening will always lose

 P-Q4 (or d4) Q:When white has the initiative (1st move) why the hell waste it on such an inept way to develop his pieces?

Is that a joke? I can't get it.

1.d4 is at least as good as 1.e4. Many people believe it to be better.

I think that queen pawn opening can give you as white development advantage, and if you play with an unexperienced player  then you will gain power on the queen side and put the king to safety early in the game.

What, another d4 hater? Get in line.

obviously an e4 player

e4 for attacking players

d4 for positional players

1.d4 is developing not a piece but space, black cant punish it with 1...e5 because then he just loses the pawn

d4 is an excellent opening move,i dont understand how it could be an inept way to develop

Wow...

FIrst off,

If 1.d4 was bad like you said, the worlds top wouldn't ever dare play it

Now, I'll give you the fact that your like 1/4 right if white plays something like the London or Colle but even still (As much as I hate those 2 openings) it doesn't mean that white will lose...

HOWEVER 1.d4 w/2.c4 gives a nice dynamic game that can also be used by attackers (look at Topalov) and by more positional players like Kramnik alike. There is no way its inept...

1.d4 may look bad if you are a really weak player.

Both e4 and d4 can result in long positional games, and tactical mess, you cant decide that only with one move.

The Queen's Gambit is like a piece of dead fish kept overlong on ice.  -  Tony Santasiere

Even if you play it without c4, you have the Veresov, which is an amazing tricky dangerous opening. So in all 1.d4 is good in all cases.

I think that discussing this thread is simply stupid.

dude, you dont know what your talking about. no offense to all you sub 1300s out there, but you really shouldnt be posting opening nonsense about AYTHING because dont even know what your talking about. go read a book

Now that's not fair ... could be endowed with HUGE testicles and play f4.