"new" chess piece - the Chancellor ?

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"new" chess piece - the Chancellor ??

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You really should add something more to this thread.

It's not even new, it's almost a century old.

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You should check out Seirawan chess:

http://www.seirawanchess.com/ 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seirawan_chess 

http://hawkelephant.blogspot.com.au/

This variant adds Capablanca's pieces, the chancellor and the archbishop, renamed the elephant and hawk, to the 8x8 board. The elephant is a rook-knight compound, while the hawk is a bishop-knight compound. You can order some nice elephant and hawk pieces from http://www.houseofstaunton.com/ 

There's a Seirawan chess group on chess.com as well.

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I'll add also the following link:

http://seirawanchess.appspot.com/

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Actually, it's more than a century old. Pietro Carrera described a variant like Capablanca's about 400 years ago, and Bird also described something similar about 50 years before Capablanca. Wikipedia has some info on it.

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ketchuplover wrote:

How about a piece that only moves sideways?

'The Crab'.

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ironic_begar wrote:

Actually, it's more than a century old. Pietro Carrera described a variant like Capablanca's about 400 years ago, and Bird also described something similar about 50 years before Capablanca. Wikipedia has some info on it.

What came first, the piece or the name? Wink

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What I like about the elephant/chancellor (rook-knight) and the hawk/archbishop (bishop-knight) is that they're logical extensions of the existing pieces. They're almost as powerful as the queen, yet at the same time, just like the queen, they're not invincible against weaker pieces. While the queen is vulnerable to the knight, an elephant is vulnerable to a bishop, and a hawk is vulnerable to a rook.

Aside from that, they're very cool!

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people should start working on getting this on the internet. it should be right by side chess 960.

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need to change the board : 8X10  OR MAYBE EVEN 10x10  ??

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bcoburn2 wrote:

need to change the board : 8X10  OR MAYBE EVEN 10x10  ??

Seirawan chess is played on a normal chessboard.

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Seirawan chess is the way to go when classical chess gets played out.960 is a popular variant,but there's a lot of disharmony in the initial positions,and the players are just trying to restore the harmony.S chess retains the harmony of the initial position and adds 2 more pieces for an amazing amount of complications.

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I think it's nice to have such variants available as an option. Personally, I prefer the board and piece layout of Carrera's original proposal - an 8 by 10 board with R(B+N)NBQKBN(R+N)R on the back ranks. I would have the King move three squares when Castling so as to keep the game as close to normal Chess as possible.

But I don't expect such a variant to be so much more fun than normal Chess that it would take the world by storm. Which is why all the variants of this type have tended to provoke the reaction "why bother".

The fact that Courier Chess really existed for a time with a 12 by 8 board leads me to think in terms of a R(B+N)CNBQKBNC(R+N)R layout, where C stands for the Camel, a piece with a longer Knight move that always stays on the same color of squares. At least that way, adding the two really powerful new pieces is balanced by adding new pieces that are weaker even than an ordinary minor piece.

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I think this is a great way to help chess become more complex. When I buy a set I'll make sure to get hawks and elephants!

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What is 960 exactly?

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960 is what's up. No new pieces required--over time, we'd run into the same problems people complain about with regular chess. The random-order aspect of the game makes every game tactically interesting from the first move without having to wait 15 moves to get past tediously documented opening theories.

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They need to add Seirawan chess to the us champs. Maybe Yasser would score better Laughing.

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bcoburn2 wrote:

"new" chess piece - the Chancellor ??

See my forum "DESIGN A CHESS PIECE".

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I like the aspect of Seirawan having different peices but I also like how 960 sounds. How does 960 work?

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xav88 wrote:

I like the aspect of Seirawan having different peices but I also like how 960 sounds. How does 960 work?

Random piece position. Google it.