Reasons why the queen's gambit is not a gambit

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Immaculate_Slayer

1. You can win the pawn back with Qa4+

2. You will mostly be equal in material as if black tries to keep the pawn they will be crushed

3. It isn't a risky opening, and main-line theory involves just leaving the pawn there to be taken as black

 

other reasons?

AunTheKnight
Immaculate_Slayer wrote:

1. You can win the pawn back with Qa5+

2. You will mostly be equal in material as if black tries to keep the pawn they will be crushed

3. It isn't a risky opening, and main-line theory involves just leaving the pawn there to be taken as black

 

other reasons?

That sums it up. Agreed. However, I don’t like Qa5+. I don’t play it. It feels like a waste of time for me.

Immaculate_Slayer
AunTheKnight escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer wrote:

1. You can win the pawn back with Qa5+

2. You will mostly be equal in material as if black tries to keep the pawn they will be crushed

3. It isn't a risky opening, and main-line theory involves just leaving the pawn there to be taken as black

 

other reasons?

That sums it up. Agreed. However, I don’t like Qa5+. I don’t play it. It feels like a waste of time for me.

it's not good but it's there lol

AunTheKnight
Immaculate_Slayer wrote:
AunTheKnight escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer wrote:

1. You can win the pawn back with Qa5+

2. You will mostly be equal in material as if black tries to keep the pawn they will be crushed

3. It isn't a risky opening, and main-line theory involves just leaving the pawn there to be taken as black

 

other reasons?

That sums it up. Agreed. However, I don’t like Qa5+. I don’t play it. It feels like a waste of time for me.

it's not good but it's there lol

I guess lol

DasBurner

You guys it's qa4+ cmon

NikkiLikeChikki
I mean you’re offering an unprotected pawn. Just because taking it doesn’t gain you anything doesn’t mean it’s not a gambit. There are plenty of gambits that aren’t risky. The Evans isn’t risky. If you accept the Vienna, you’re significantly worse (white’s eval jumps by almost .7). If ever a gambit wasn’t a gambit, it’s the Vienna. At least when you accept the QG, the eval bar barely moves.
Immaculate_Slayer
DasBurner escreveu:

You guys it's qa4+ cmon

oh yeah true

Immaculate_Slayer
NikkiLikeChikki escreveu:
I mean you’re offering an unprotected pawn. Just because taking it doesn’t gain you anything doesn’t mean it’s not a gambit. There are plenty of gambits that aren’t risky. The Evans isn’t risky. If you accept the Vienna, you’re significantly worse (white’s eval jumps by almost .7). If ever a gambit wasn’t a gambit, it’s the Vienna. At least when you accept the QG, the eval bar barely moves.

The chess.com lesson in brazil says it's not an actual gambit

And gambits are giving material for an advantage, but the queen's gambit doesn't do so as you always get either an equal position or the board with either material or one side being crushed by the other because they don't know how to properly play it

Also you're not gambiting it by playing c4 as you can win it back, you're gambiting it when you decide to not capture it so I don't know why 2. c4 is called the queen's gambit

assassin3752

1. idk

2. idk

3. idk

4. idk

5. idk

AunTheKnight
DasBurner wrote:

You guys it's qa4+ cmon

We are several universes ahead of you. It's Qa5+!

Immaculate_Slayer
darkbrah7654 escreveu:

1. idk

2. idk

3. idk

4. idk

5. idk

 

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Stil1

2.c4 is, at that exact moment, offering an unprotected pawn. That fits the definition of a "gambit" quite nicely.

Can white win the pawn back? Yes. But he has to make minor concessions, in his development, to do so. It's not a completely "free pawn" to give away and reclaim. White gets something, but he has to give something, too ...

 

 

In the Queen's Gambit Accepted:

3. Qa4+ misplaces the queen, and allows black to develop a piece, blocking the check. White will likely need to use another tempo, at some point in the game, to relocate the queen.

3. e3 allows Bxc4, but it blocks in white's queen bishop. So white will need to use an extra tempo, at some point, to actively develop his queen bishop.

3. e4 also allows Bxc4, but it weakens the d4 pawn. Now that white no longer has a c-pawn to support his d-pawn, black can strike at the weakened d4 pawn with an immediate ...e5.

 

 

So yes, if black accepts the gambit pawn, white can win it back. But white has to alter his development to reclaim the pawn ... and black, meanwhile, uses the time to reclaim equality.

sndeww

Laughs in 3.e4

ea914
It’s my fav opener