Reti (1. Nf3 in general) Help

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Goob63

I think I want to start giving 1. Nf3 a shot, trouble is there doesn't seem to be much help online anywhere that I can find. Could someone point me in the right direction or give me their input? If not, what are the more common transpositions I should be familiar with? KIA, Catalan, QGD(what variation though? I play the exchange from 1.d4 so) That way I can just look up the transpositions separately

TitanCG

I had a hard time experimenting with this move because there isn't a lot of stuff online. There are A LOT of transpositions across 1.d4 and 1.c4 and you can be asked to play a lot of very complicated positions. 

I think the "easiest" way to use it is by trying to play a KIA with the idea of playing for e4. 

You can also try a plan of c4. Whether you try 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 or 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 ... 3.c4 you open up a lot of transpositions.

All I really did was look in some databases and see how other people were playing it.

Goob63

I don't really want the easiest, I want to give it a fair shot, since I do enjoy playing a variety of openings. The KIA I'd like to save for just some weird move I see. Just set it up and go for the king

Sqod

The main reason there isn't much material on it is because of its extremely flexible nature. That's exactly why I stopped playing 1. Nf3. Usually that opening transposes into a d4 or c4 (= English) opening, therefore (as one opening book I owned put it) 1. Nf3 "has no independent significance." That is another way of saying, "You haven't reached the defining attributes of an opening yet," meaning the pawn structure that will guide the game. Titan is right: the most common and most logical continuation for Black is 1...d5, which becomes a queen pawn opening. However, I believe the opening could even transpose into a king's pawn opening, such as via 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 e5. Sorry I don't have any more specific suggestions for opening material.

Goob63

After d5 the main move is c4. That I know. From the you can go into a queen pawn game. Or go can go b3 or b4, playing the Reti main line or something completely different

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Sorry for the spam, using my phone. I'll delete the dups when I'm on the computer tomorrow

TitanCG

Playing for e4 isn't necessarily easy. It's just a plan you can follow at least until the middlegame. After c4 all kinds of things can happen.

You basically need an idea about these things:

Slav, QGD, Reversed Benoni, KID, accepted, symmetrical English, Chigorin and probably some others. 

If you don't want to play main lines then you'll have to figure out how you'd like to meet these pawn structures. Whatever you choose you'll have a lot to think about.

unterseegoat

What do you normally play as white? I switched to 1.Nf3 from 1.d4 because I wanted to avoid certain defenses from black and I was happy giving up some lines in return. Specifically, I no longer wanted to face the Nimzo-Indian (Bb4 isn't so hot when white hasn't played d4 yet) and I abandoned the QGD exchange since an early Nf3 isn't as desirable there.

Goob63

I don't normally play anything. That's kind of why I wanted to give the Reti a try. But if I had to answer - 1. e4. From there though it varies, again

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Goob63 wrote:

I don't normally play anything. That's kind of why I wanted to give the Reti a try. But if I had to answer - 1. e4. From there though it varies, again

Then I'd suggest the book the modern reti by delchev. It only deals with what happens after 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4, and you can meet 1...c5 with 2.e4 or 1...Nf6 with a transposition into a KIA structure. 

Goob63

I'm not concerned with cutting down on book lines. I'm just curious what book lines I would need to freshen up on. Or variations, I guess. Since when I go 1.d4 I usually play 3 . Nc3. So whatever moves I know from those lines I don't think they can all be achieved from the Reti

Sqod

An early Nc3 in a queen pawn's opening is usually not good because it blocks your "c" pawn, which is an extremely important pawn to advance in QP openings, and also both sides typically have a hard time playing P-K4 in QP openings, which means your knight at c3 isn't doing the job you had hoped it would do (e4 ...dxe4 Nxe4). A queen's pawn game isn't just a mirror image of a king's pawn game where e4 and Nf3 get swapped with d4 and Nc3: whereas 2. f4 is uncommon in symmetrical KP games, 2. c4 is standard in symmetrical QP games.

Goob63

I said 3. Nc3. Not 2

Sqod
Goob63 wrote:

I said 3. Nc3. Not 2

I know. 1. Nf3 2. d4 3. Nc3. Smile

Goob63
Goob63 wrote:

Since when I go 1.d4 I usually play 3 . Nc3. 

I know how to play QPG in general

Snowcat14

To start with, learn the KIA and the main line Reti, which goes:

1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3.Qa4+ Bd7 4.Qxc4 when white has better control of the centre. Also, you could play 3. Na3.