Reti Trap

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Klorzingoli

Bxf7+ is a very powerful move, i just showed Ne5 because it is a very tempting trap in a blitz game. When people see a queen en prise they think you made a mistake.  The move is also strong irregardless of their response, it just has the checkmate possibility bonus.

cena_warrior

ok no problem.. and in the developing queen, what about 7...Qd5 move?? i think the knight has to retreat to a "weaker" position..

Klorzingoli

No, the knight can be defended d4 a good pawn move for white grabbing more of the center.  Black is not really ahead in development.  Then white can gain tempo by attacking the queen next turn with Nc3

well_hung_pawn

Good trap... I like it for blitz games. Klorzingoli... I don't know what kind of name that is but it sounds sexy

TonightOnly
Klorzingoli wrote:

No, the knight can be defended d4 a good pawn move for white grabbing more of the center. Black is not really ahead in development. Then white can gain tempo by attacking the queen next turn with Nc3


Yes, I would say to not even move the knight. d4 is a very useful move for white here, and you can keep the advanced knight for a while to slow down black's development.

cena_warrior

hmm.. no i don't think white will be able to gain tempo.. what if after 8. d4, black moves 8...Ne4?? then Nc3 would only lead to a trade of knights, with black having a more advanced and developed queen.. but the weaknesses are that black has doubled pawns and a very very poor bishop (and black is one bishop down also!).. 1 advantage for 3 disadvantages here.. ok i'm forced to admit you're right.. white is looking very good.. :D

and i think i'll try out the reti trap on my next blitz games.. :D

TonightOnly
Klorzingoli wrote:

Bxf7+ is a very powerful move, i just showed Ne5 because it is a very tempting trap in a blitz game. When people see a queen en prise they think you made a mistake. The move is also strong irregardless of their response, it just has the checkmate possibility bonus.


'Irregardless?'

Haha, anyways I know what you mean. I used to catch people with the Queen sac Legall's mate a bunch.

TonightOnly
cena_warrior wrote:

hmm.. no i don't think white will be able to gain tempo.. what if after 8. d4, black moves 8...Ne4?? then Nc3 would only lead to a trade of knights, with black having a more advanced and developed queen.. but the weaknesses are that black has doubled pawns and a very very poor bishop (and black is one bishop down also!).. 1 advantage for 3 disadvantages here.. ok i'm forced to admit you're right.. white is looking very good.. :D

and i think i'll try out the reti trap on my next blitz games.. :D


Yes, but after 8...Ne4, white would just play 9.f3. Then, after 9...Nf6, white could play 10.Nc3. Also, at a quick glance, white would probably get to play 11.Qb3.

fleiman
TonightOnly wrote:

The most popular response to 4...Bg4, and best in my opinion, is just the simple pawn grab 5.Bxf7+. Black is down a pawn, loses castling rights, will take more time to find some shelter for his King, and has an isolated e-pawn.


 That's right.

Klorzingoli
TonightOnly wrote:
Klorzingoli wrote:

Bxf7+ is a very powerful move, i just showed Ne5 because it is a very tempting trap in a blitz game. When people see a queen en prise they think you made a mistake. The move is also strong irregardless of their response, it just has the checkmate possibility bonus.


'Irregardless?'

Haha, anyways I know what you mean. I used to catch people with the Queen sac Legall's mate a bunch.


 Yes.  I meant to say irregardless. I could have said regardless instead obviously, they can mean the same thing.  The prefix ir and the suffix less make it a double negative. 

TonightOnly
Klorzingoli wrote:


Yes. I meant to say irregardless. I could have said regardless instead obviously, they can mean the same thing. The prefix ir and the suffix less make it a double negative.


I know this is getting way off topic, but I am intrigued by etymology.

Your 'double negative' comment hit it on the head. That is why, if there were such a word as irregardless, it would mean 'with regard to,' which is exactly opposite from how most people mean to use it. As you pointed out, it is usually used to just mean 'regardless.'

Erik2

Nice Trap!

clark64

nice....Cool