Retí Opening: Nimzo-Larsen Attack

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FaceCrusher

Wow, awesome, is that any good? 

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FaceCrusher wrote:

Wow, awesome, is that any good? 

Yes and no.  It is great for the history of the opening, as you can see how it developed, plenty of games by Larsen and Nimzowitch

   It is also great for ideas, for example it has little chapters on obscure stuff like Bayonet attacks (lines with g4)  and a chapter on the Birds move order.

 

What it is not so good for is as a pure opening manual as many of the lines are now suspect, and were still being developed at the time.  For example here is a line that was all the rage at the time

This line is now known to be good for black.   White now plays it differently with 8.Nc3 and this is a much better approach, but not mentioned in the book, as it had yet to be arrived at.

   Like I said the theory was still quite young in the 70s but it is great for getting a feel of the opening, and is not biased to white, as black does well in some games,

 Half of the book is devoted to the 1,Nf3 d5  2.b3  move order, which imo and many others is the best way to play it.   Those chapters are generally much easier to play for white than the ones where white allows black to play e5 and d5.  Theory has also remained more static in these lines, so much of what is written can still be relied upon.

If you can find a copy it is well worth owning , but more as a collection of interesting games than an opening manual.

 

One thing I did learn from it is that 1.Nf3 c5 2.b3 ?!    Is a bad idea for white as black can set up a Botvinnik structure with pawns on c5 d6 and e5 which really blunts whites bishop, especially as white has already played Nf3 making f4 more difficult as a mean of prizing open the diagonal.  I had been playing b3 after c5 and did not realise it was considered dubious.

FaceCrusher

The issue is that I am just not interested in playing 1.b3. I want to play 1.Nf3 first, then 2.b3. Most of the literature, and videos (There is even a whole Fritztrainer on this opening by Nigel Davis, bless him, he teaches us so many openings) deals with b3 as the opening move and Nf3 maybe only 1/3rd of the time or less. This is causing a hangup for me. But, if you play 1.Nf3, and they respond with c5, do we have any good information on how to proceed? Do we just have to transpose into something else? Sicilian then and go with a transposed e4 opening the whole time? 

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FaceCrusher wrote:

The issue is that I am just not interested in playing 1.b3. I want to play 1.Nf3 first, then 2.b3. Most of the literature, and videos (There is even a whole Fritztrainer on this opening by Nigel Davis, bless him, he teaches us so many openings) deals with b3 as the opening move and Nf3 maybe only 1/3rd of the time or less. This is causing a hangup for me. But, if you play 1.Nf3, and they respond with c5, do we have any good information on how to proceed? Do we just have to transpose into something else? Sicilian then and go with a transposed e4 opening the whole time? 

 

1.Nf3 then b3 against virtually anything. Most of the time black will play d5 and then it is all about controlling the e5 square which is probably why Nimzovich was so keen on it (read my system)  So you just control e5 by Bb5 taking out the Knight defending that square, and by f4 after Ne5 

 

After 1...c5 it is probably best to just play an English as white, although virtually anything is possible.

 

This link has all the games that are in the book, just play through the d5 ones to get a good feel of them

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009489

 

The games from chapter 5 are of the most interest if playing the 1.Nf3 move order

FaceCrusher

I guess I didn't think of going ahead and playing an English after 1...c5, but that could work too, since I love the English as well. I just can't really get this opening out of my mind; all the other openings are so well known, and so rife with theory as well as traps, that I've always enjoyed a solid hypermodern safe opening. Plus, while every single other human is playing mostly e4, with a few d4s, I wanna be the guy who starts with Nf3. 

Since you gave me a book idea, I'll give you one too. I found this surprise yesterday on Amazon hidden away while searching around for opening books. 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008FEF8TQ/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3REHIPMFZ54SL&colid=1A69XRWR46AFD

Eric Shiller may not be a monster over the chessboard when it comes to Chess Authors (He was about 2200, 2300, and most Chess Book writers sport the fancy Grandmaster title) but I have never in my life seen anyone write better opening books. Instead of just showing you games, which hell, I could do by giving someone a database...he takes you through EVERYTHING with words. Where to put every single piece in the opening he teaches, and why that piece goes on that square, where the opponent must put their pieces, what the plan and future is for each piece, and what the overall strategy is for the opening at each stage. His King's Indian and Caro Kann books are just ridiculous.