Yereslov wrote:
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Admit it. You don't understand the line at all. You only know the basics.
Like you understand it
Ruy Lopez d5 instead of d6
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I don't think its right to say he feared it.
As Melvern pointed out a draw would lose points for him, and he was a fighting player. It was simply not in his interest to enter drawish lines.
Apr 13, 2013
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#24
Obviously Yereslov is a troll who knows nothing about any chess players or openings at all. Kasparov is OK with a draw as White? How would he get to be the highest rated player?
Also, just because Rybka gives an analysis of Berlin positions does not mean it is accurate. Humans will play that endgame better, especially Kramnik.
paulgottlieb's last post was right on the money. However, these days if Kasparov were still active (Yereslov doesn't know this, but Kasparov retired back in 2005) I seriously doubt he would avoid the Marshall, as all of the Anti-Marshall lines have been shown to be just about inferior in the last several years. 8.d4 is somewhat interesting though.
Basically, whenever Yereslov posts something, you can safely assume he is wrong.
By the way, in the Kramnik-Leko game Yereslov posted, Kramnik lost because he played a move that the computer initially gave a good assesssment for White for, and Leko refuted it at the board. The position is drawn as long as White avoids Qf2??.
Yereslov wrote:
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Why in the world are there a couple of class c players debating the value of the Marshal versus the Closed Spanish on the internet? Ohh well, I might as well weigh in; I have a theory that grandmasters avoid positions that computers play and analysis correctly in order to avoid preparation. The Marshal is an opening that the computers analyze correctly, the Berlin is not. Top level players are more likely to play the Berlin then the Marshal because there "positional understanding" actual counts for something in the Marshal. Other lines that grandmasters avoid include the mainline Zaitsev, they seem to prefer 12. d5, which is quickly fading as an actual winning attempt. Even the open Sicilian has become rare at the top. What are we left with? Berlins and an early d3 in the Ruy, the Rosolimo and the Catalan.
My two cents, more on topic 7..d6 is more accurate for entering the Closed Spanish, but the a4 lines are not considered dangerous at the moment.
Please find evidence that computers have a hard time analyzing the Berlin. It's quite the opposite for Rybka.
Rybka has a hard time analyzing anything.
You need to get houdini.
JMB2010 wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Admit it. You don't understand the line at all. You only know the basics.
Like you understand it
Of course I understand. You have nothing over me.
Expertise87 wrote:
Obviously Yereslov is a troll who knows nothing about any chess players or openings at all. Kasparov is OK with a draw as White? How would he get to be the highest rated player?
Also, just because Rybka gives an analysis of Berlin positions does not mean it is accurate. Humans will play that endgame better, especially Kramnik.
paulgottlieb's last post was right on the money. However, these days if Kasparov were still active (Yereslov doesn't know this, but Kasparov retired back in 2005) I seriously doubt he would avoid the Marshall, as all of the Anti-Marshall lines have been shown to be just about inferior in the last several years. 8.d4 is somewhat interesting though.
Basically, whenever Yereslov posts something, you can safely assume he is wrong.
By the way, in the Kramnik-Leko game Yereslov posted, Kramnik lost because he played a move that the computer initially gave a good assesssment for White for, and Leko refuted it at the board. The position is drawn as long as White avoids Qf2??.
I suggest you get educated. If Kasparov did not fear the Marshall Attack, he would not employ anti-Marshall lines so often. Admit it. You have no idea what the MArshall Attack is. Typical coming from a patzer with a high rating.
aggressivesociopath wrote:
Dude your highest rating is 1293 and you insist that you know why grandmasters do anything. I know that finding an anotated version of Capablanca-Marshal 1918 and going over it would be a better use of both of our time. As would you know basic endgame theory.
You need to stop focusing on ratings, pal. I checked your games out. Nothing in your games screams out that you are anywhere near 1700+.
Apr 16, 2013
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#30
Among Grandmasters, it's very difficult to win as white against the Marshall. The slower Spanish lines with d3 have become increasingly popular because the maneuvering is so much more complex than in the Marshall.
I've read the comments of quite a few strong players (+2200 OTB) who believe that the Marshall gives Black similar drawing chances to the Russian defense, and therefore seek other lines. In fact, the Marshall may be more drawish than the Russian Defense among the +2500 crowd.
That's not "fear" of the Marshall, that's seeking better returns on their investment.
In Mainline Ruy Lopez, I play ...d6 instead of ...d5 (Marshall attack) because I want to add extra support to the e5 pawn, and free my Knight in c6 for future uses (in my case, I retreat it back to b8 and bring it to d7 - Breyer variant).
d5 is plausible if you like to gambit. I am not a gambit type of person, hence I go for d6. Hope it helps.