Ruy Lopez: Smith Defence

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MSC157

Oh, I found one my game with "Smith defence":

I was lucky he played 4. O-O.
Chess4001

Playing the knight to f6 instead of the queen would be nicer. 

Really I don't care much about the "Smith Defence" to the Ruy lopez. first, there is probably a reason why it is "original" and second, you spelled defense wrong.

AndyClifton
Chess4001 wrote:

you spelled defense wrong.


lol (looks like somebody has to get across the pond more).

AndyClifton

Not for long though probably (stupid American-based spellchecks).

MSC157

I looked in my dictionary for this word. It says:

  • obrámba: defence, ZDA (=USA) defense;

...and I used 1st word.

AndyClifton

Aha...so you missed the new, improved version. Wink

browni3141
pfren wrote:
Chess4001 wrote:

MSC, you have weak argument points for your so called "Smith Defense." There is a reason why your "novelty" is original and extremely rare. Play it and let some players exploit your silly queen move. You should not develop your queen so early!


Excuse me, but this is an abstract aphorism without any value.

 

Here Black

1. moved the same piece twice

2. lost the pawn on e5

3.ignored the opponent's threat to f7

4. moved his queen out early

You guess the result? Rather not: Black is close to winning.

Similar examples abound.

Aphorisms are for priests, which are not that good in chess (most of them, anyway).


But, 3...Nd4 is just bad. Isn't it? So that's not really a good example of a situation where it's okay to move the same piece twice. 4. Nxe5 is a blunder, and white has several better fourth moves that give him more than what he started with on move one. You know all of this of course. I think a sound opening would provide a better example.

MSC157
AndyClifton wrote:

Aha...so you missed the new, improved version. 


Exactly! Wink

Arctor
browni3141 wrote:
pfren wrote:
Chess4001 wrote:

MSC, you have weak argument points for your so called "Smith Defense." There is a reason why your "novelty" is original and extremely rare. Play it and let some players exploit your silly queen move. You should not develop your queen so early!


Excuse me, but this is an abstract aphorism without any value.

 

Here Black

1. moved the same piece twice

2. lost the pawn on e5

3.ignored the opponent's threat to f7

4. moved his queen out early

You guess the result? Rather not: Black is close to winning.

Similar examples abound.

Aphorisms are for priests, which are not that good in chess (most of them, anyway).


But, 3...Nd4 is just bad. Isn't it? So that's not really a good example of a situation where it's okay to move the same piece twice. 4. Nxe5 is a blunder, and white has several better fourth moves that give him more than what he started with on move one. You know all of this of course. I think a sound opening would provide a better example.


 

Kiss 
AndyClifton

Sure, 3... Nd4 is bad.  But 3... Nd4!! c'est magnifique!

Chess4001

Go Berlin defense!

Kinnmark

Hey MSC, what about all variations and systems and whatever? Joke

 

Just an example of "Morphy in 3.Qf6" Smile

MSC157

Maybe sth. to fix?
Is d3 and then d4 a waste of time? 

MSC157
pfren wrote:

I'm sorry, but I do not understand what you're after.

OK, Let's make a silly question: Why white plays 6.Re1 when Black does not threaten the e4 pawn in any way? It does not make sense to play like that and not 6.c3 at once.


I just answer to Marchess who want to make a Morphy in Smith. Of course, nobody will play that "variation".

asmaaa
MSC157 wrote:

 

Helltank, like that? Did I miss something?

Arctor, yeah, I saw some games. Horwitz blundered a lot in one game. 
But still I think quite equal position?

 


IM pfren, it has a name? Frankfurt variation? Oh, I didn't know that...

Man ! You are black you need to equalize your game You need to take advantage of match ,, but look it makes you too late to develop your minor pieces , giving your opponent to get solid and aggrassive position .. sorry ! I don't like it !

Chess4001
asmaaa wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

 

Helltank, like that? Did I miss something?

Arctor, yeah, I saw some games. Horwitz blundered a lot in one game. 
But still I think quite equal position?

 


IM pfren, it has a name? Frankfurt variation? Oh, I didn't know that...

Man ! You are black you need to equalize your game You need to take advantage of match ,, but look it makes you too late to develop your minor pieces , giving your opponent to get solid and aggrassive position .. sorry ! I don't like it !

BURN!!!

asmaaa
Chess4001 wrote:
asmaaa wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

 

Helltank, like that? Did I miss something?

Arctor, yeah, I saw some games. Horwitz blundered a lot in one game. 
But still I think quite equal position?

 


IM pfren, it has a name? Frankfurt variation? Oh, I didn't know that...

Man ! You are black you need to equalize your game You need to take advantage of match ,, but look it makes you too late to develop your minor pieces , giving your opponent to get solid and aggrassive position .. sorry ! I don't like it !

BURN!!!


Thanks :) I spoke to him.. and showing my opinion mind your self please ! ^_^

Kinnmark

Lol

MSC157

OK, challenge to you all! ;)

If you have just 2 options:

- Smith defence (Ruy Lopez: 3...Qf6)
- Brentano defence (Ruy Lopez: 3...g5)

What would you choose? 

MSC157

@melvinbluestone, haha true! ;)