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When white castle leaving the E4 pond unprotected, Black has the chance to take E4 but according to our current level of study (we just started to learn openinngs) balck is not taking it. I would like to know why and what to do when a less expereinced player does opt into taking E4 in in move #5.

Where is a begginer level analisys of this varriation where E4 is taken by black at this point?

Thanks

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White doesnt need to castle here. And there is no reason why black should want to capture e4. Why is the f8-a3 diagonal highlighted like that? Is that the range indicator or something?

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Nxe4 is played at high levels of chess as well. It's just not the most popular line for black. The usual response is d4.

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SirVicious wrote:

White doesnt need to castle here. And there is no reason why black should want to capture e4. Why is the f8-a3 diagonal highlighted like that? Is that the range indicator or something?


The game review (not sure where I got it from) was the first source I learned about Ruy Lopez and it had this sequence so the castling move is not my invention and it is from a master level game record of some sort. (I am just getting started to learn about openings.) Therefore I have no business to comment on its validity or lack of it. Certainly it is a variant of Ruy Lopez. Frankly I am not even sure how far to go into the opening sequence before it is considered a variant as I do not have a good opening book reference guide but am working on to get one. Till then I hope to post questions here as long as it is an acceptable practice but again, I am new here, what do I  know until I try, yes? The highlight is a range of move yes, from the default chess game came with our computer and I am looking for a good program that allows me to learn, play, and demonstrate chess positions with most flexibility and least distractions. Preferably an iPad version. Any suggestion? Thank you for your time for responding.

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SirVicious wrote:

White doesnt need to castle here. And there is no reason why black should want to capture e4. Why is the f8-a3 diagonal highlighted like that? Is that the range indicator or something?


OK, managed to get a dB of openings and unless you know better, my resource contradicts your advice. Castling is by far the more played variant while taking E4 is also a valid move. (See stats on picture below).

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dracoms wrote:

Nxe4 is played at high levels of chess as well. It's just not the most popular line for black. The usual response is d4.


Taking the argument out as for which move is the "most popular" as it is just a matter of reference; my question has been answered as to what response variations are available to me if black does take E4. (See picture below)

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I see, my bad..Still seems completely senseless to me. Maybe we can get Reb to explain it to us.....

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The point of Nxe4(open  variation) is to facilitate the d7-d5 push, which is one of black thematic ideas in the open games. With the e4-pawn gone, black is going to archieve this goal easily. The most common continuation is 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 and black has a much more open and active development than in usual Be7 lines. The disadvandage is that the Ne4 knight might become exposed and white generaly tryes to generate play against this piece. I don't know why this looks "senseless"; it's a common and reasonable alternative to the closed variation, sometimes played also at superGM level. Anand used the opening quite a lot in the late ninethies, and Tarrasch was one of the first top level players to employ the variation. (He considered it no less than the only correct defense to the spanish)

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bresando wrote:

The point of Nxe4(open  variation) is to facilitate the d7-d5 push, which is one of black thematic ideas in the open games. With the e4-pawn gone, black is going to archieve this goal easily. The most common continuation is 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 and black has a much more open and active development than in usual Be7 lines. The disadvandage is that the Ne4 knight might become exposed and white generaly tryes to generate play against this piece. I don't know why this looks "senseless"; it's a common and reasonable alternative to the closed variation, sometimes played also at superGM level. Anand used the opening quite a lot in the late ninethies, and Tarrasch was one of the first top level players to employ the variation. (He considered it no less than the only correct defense to the spanish)


"to facilitate the d7-d5 push"? I think i see what you mean. I'll reference a database. But this is not a line i have ever played. Neither,do intend to.

I would probably play 5.b5 or d6

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A recent high-level game in this line: despite white desperatly needed to win to qualify for the next round, he failed to archieve anithing:

I really like the open ruy because B position is very active and ambitious, at the price of being less solid than the more usual closed lines. Anyway, it's a serious option for black.
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