Scandinavian 3...Qe5+

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Avatar of gregkluzak

What is the best way for black to play against 4.Qe2? I don't want to play 4...Qxe2 but my chess software likes to play  that move.

1.e4 d5

2.exd5 Qxd5

3.Nc3  Qe5+

4.Qe2 

Avatar of ivandh

I'd play 3. Qe6+ to avoid this problem. As it is there doesn't seem to be any way to decline the exchange (4...Nc6 5. Qxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 leaves black behind in development for basically no advantage.)

Avatar of Wou_Rem
ivandh wrote:

I'd play 3. Qe6+ to avoid this problem. As it is there doesn't seem to be any way to decline the exchange (4...Nc6 5. Qxe5 Nxe5 6. d4 leaves black behind in development for basically no advantage.)


How does Qe6 avoid a "problem"?
With Qe6 you block a central pawn. It's worse then trading of the queens. After Qe6 you are a lucky man if he plays Qe2 and allows you to trade.

Avatar of Blurft

The way to avoid this problem is not to play the inferior 3...Qe5+ in the first place.  Plenty of good ways to play the Scandi.  This isn't one of them.

Avatar of ivandh

Well he wants to play the Scandinavian, and not Qa5 apparently, so I suggest something similar to what he's looking for. Yes, it's got problems, what do you want me to do, tell him to play the KID instead?

Avatar of Wou_Rem
ivandh wrote:

Well he wants to play the Scandinavian, and not Qa5 apparently, so I suggest something similar to what he's looking for. Yes, it's got problems, what do you want me to do, tell him to play the KID instead?


Qd6 Perhaps

Avatar of dozeoff

If White plays 4. Qe2 you should be happy to exchange queens. The position is already equal after 4. ...Qxe2+, and that is a huge achievment as Black. Remember that "equal" does not mean "dead draw". There is stilla lot of play left in the position.

Avatar of Neanderthal9

Well the only thing that makes sense is to play the queen somewhere that it couldn't get to from d5, else you would be better playing it straight away because Qe2 helps white, so I guess Qf6, but this could harldy be considered a great square. Really, as mentioned above, better to play 3... Qa5 or Qd6. Anyway, after 3... Qe5 4. Be2 is good for white, preparing to gain more time on the black queen.

Avatar of waffllemaster

The queen is poorly placed on e5.  I know it's a thrill to give check as a beginner, but after you give check it's your opponents turn and they simply remove it while developing a piece.

If you're lucky enough to have them block the check with Qe2, then exchange queens because your queen was on a piss poor square and you're behind in development.  Exchanging queens will ease that disadvantage.

Avatar of Musikamole

Garry Kasparov vs. David Letterman (Late Night Show). Letterman played Qe6+. Kasparov kept the queens on the board by blocking the check with Be2. I like to play Be2 as well. Queens on the board makes the game more lively.  

I know that Qe6+ is a bad move, so I guess Kasparov was being easy on Letterman by not trading queens. Heck, Kasparov could have sac'd his queen somewhere in the game for a crummy pawn, messing with Letterman's pawn structure a bit, and still won.


Avatar of Wou_Rem

Wow David Letterman sucks at chess.

Avatar of dozeoff

3. ...Qe5+ is not as bad as one will think when seeing it the first time. There was an article in ChessBase Magazine some time ago, written by Leonid Kritz, a +2600 GM. He claimed equality for Black after all three legitimate moves.

The move certainly looks stupid, but so does many Sicilian main lines (playing an early ...e5 creating a backward d-pawn on an open line, wasting time with an early ...a6 and so on) when you first see them.

The point is: an opening must be judged by actual lines/positions it leads to, not vague, general principles.