Scandinavian Defense 2.e5

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Most of the books (and other sources) I have consumed about the Scandinavian tell me that after this move black easily equalizes and should have a fairly easy game, but this is the variation I actually have the most trouble with (I have lost 62% of games after this move, compared with 34% after exd5).  How should I play against this move?

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If youre referring to 

1.e4 d5 2.e5 then play 2...e6 and get a French Advanced.

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GodsPawn2016 escribió:

If youre referring to 

1.e4 d5 2.e5 then play 2...e6 and get a French Advanced.

 

Wouldn't it be better to put the white bishop outside of the pawn structure rather than immediately transition into the French?

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aidan0816 wrote:
GodsPawn2016 escribió:

If youre referring to 

1.e4 d5 2.e5 then play 2...e6 and get a French Advanced.

 

Wouldn't it be better to put the white bishop outside of the pawn structure rather than immediately transition into the French?

You can certainly do that.  2...e6 is simply my preference.  You have many good choices in 

2...c5

2...e6

2...Bf5

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2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

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BronsteinPawn escribió:

2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

 

So you are suggesting that somehow my opponent starting out with 2. e5 causes me to be significantly more likely to hang pieces?

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LOL, QUE BUEN TROLLEO.

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aidan0816 wrote:
BronsteinPawn escribió:

2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

 

So you are suggesting that somehow my opponent starting out with 2. e5 causes me to be significantly more likely to hang pieces?

I think what anyone would suggest is that youre placing way to much importance on the second move of a game.

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GodsPawn2016 escribió:
aidan0816 wrote:
BronsteinPawn escribió:

2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

 

So you are suggesting that somehow my opponent starting out with 2. e5 causes me to be significantly more likely to hang pieces?

I think what anyone would suggest is that youre placing way to much importance on the second move of a game.

 

I don't agree with that, as the second move essentially decides if the game will be similar to an advanced caro-kann/French or a Scandinavian, which are completely different.  I've never really played the latter before, so e5 throws me off of the style of games that I am used to.

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2...Bf5 is good.

If you are losing against it you may not be familiared with the positions or you simply need to work on hanging pieces.

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aidan0816 wrote:
GodsPawn2016 escribió:
aidan0816 wrote:
BronsteinPawn escribió:

2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

 

So you are suggesting that somehow my opponent starting out with 2. e5 causes me to be significantly more likely to hang pieces?

I think what anyone would suggest is that youre placing way to much importance on the second move of a game.

 

I don't agree with that, as the second move essentially decides if the game will be similar to an advanced caro-kann/French or a Scandinavian, which are completely different.  I've never really played the latter before, so e5 throws me off of the style of games that I am used to.

No offense, but there has been so many of these posts where someone around your skill level is insistent that they lose because of the opening...2nd move of the game...etc.  The dead giveaway is when the word "style" is used.

I looked at some of your games, and the opening is not yur problem.  Your issue is the same thing as anyone at your rating:

Not following opening principles.

Hanging pieces.

Missing simple tactics.  

Please dont take offense to my post, im just being honest.   

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GodsPawn2016 escribió:
aidan0816 wrote:
GodsPawn2016 escribió:
aidan0816 wrote:
BronsteinPawn escribió:

2...e6 is a bad move, 2...Bf5 is simple and safe, no need to transpose into a French Advance when you can get a good game with 2...Bf5.

However it is weird, the OP is asking for a good move yet he says what would be better lol.

You arent losing because of your openings, just as no other user on here is. 

Like me you may lose because of the hanging pieces syndrome.

 

So you are suggesting that somehow my opponent starting out with 2. e5 causes me to be significantly more likely to hang pieces?

I think what anyone would suggest is that youre placing way to much importance on the second move of a game.

 

I don't agree with that, as the second move essentially decides if the game will be similar to an advanced caro-kann/French or a Scandinavian, which are completely different.  I've never really played the latter before, so e5 throws me off of the style of games that I am used to.

No offense, but there has been so many of these posts where someone around your skill level is insistent that they lose because of the opening...2nd move of the game...etc.  The dead giveaway is when the word "style" is used.

I looked at some of your games, and the opening is not yur problem.  Your issue is the same thing as anyone at your rating:

Not following opening principles.

Hanging pieces.

Missing simple tactics.  

Please dont take offense to my post, im just being honest.   

 

If the problem had nothing to do with the opening, I don't think that there would be such a significant difference between my success rates based on the opening move.  If you were right, then I would be having the same results regardless of which opening move my opponent plays.  However, that isn't the case.

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knig22 wrote:

The answer is: 2..c5

Exactly so, Black simply plays 2...c5 and has a very favourable version of the French Defence Advance, one in which his/her main problem is already resolved (the LSB can develop outside the pawn-chain).

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Indeed 2...c5 is by far the best choice. Bf5 does get the bishop outside the chain but it may also want to go Bg4 so you wait to see how White reacts first. 

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The reason why it is not all that trivial to beat is because it resembles the Nimcovic defense, even the great Capa played it once with its black pieces, but lost that game apparently.

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2....c5 and black has edge. Simple and straightforward.
Avatar of advancededitingtool1

how about pawn takes, queen takes, Nc3, Qd6 and g3 with probably a small edge in white's favor

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leklerk1 escribió:

how about pawn takes, queen takes, Nc3, Qd6 and g3 with probably a small edge in white's favor

I may have been unclear, this is white moving to e5 on move two
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No, you weren't unclear, it's a bad move for white, black simply responds with c5. Obviously.

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Alright, sounds like c5 is the move to make here