Scandinavian defense vs Alekhine defense

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Alchessblitz
Thanks! Humans prefer scandi, and for good reasons!

 

If you are interested, you have great Youtube video of Gothamchess about Scandinavian defense (How to crush opponents with the Scandinavian defense!)

On chess.com you have a video of Nigel Short who proposes a non-theorical line with white, in itself is already a confession I find.  

DrSpudnik

This inquiry is really scraping bottom with these two openings. It's like what's more exciting, farting or picking your nose?

lukeluke00

The Scandinavian has been used by the champ himself Magnus Carlsen, by Anand, Tiviakov, Nisipeanu, and many more strong modern GMs. It's absolutely playable. Meanwhile the Alekhine I can't remember the last time I saw it in a top level game

DrSpudnik

Anything is playable.

gik-tally

my understanding of the alekhine is that it's more defensive and positional... probably not the best things to look for in blitz. 

DrSpudnik

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PunchboxNET
Scandi is overall much better in my opinion its what i normally play
ELVITOTO
Alchessblitz wrote:
Thanks! Humans prefer scandi, and for good reasons!

 

If you are interested, you have great Youtube video of Gothamchess about Scandinavian defense (How to crush opponents with the Scandinavian defense!)

On chess.com you have a video of Nigel Short who proposes a non-theorical line with white, in itself is already a confession I find.  

Interesting, I'll check it

ELVITOTO
DrSpudnik wrote:

This inquiry is really scraping bottom with these two openings. It's like what's more exciting, farting or picking your nose?

Kind of but, without going that far xD

ELVITOTO
anderslu0830 wrote:

We put the two together and we get this:

 

Actually that may happen if white plays 2)Nc3 within alekhine defense.

ELVITOTO
PunchboxNET wrote:
Scandi is overall much better in my opinion its what i normally play

Yeah, most people think the same. Better compare alekhine to owen or h5.

DrSpudnik

I kidded above, of course, but if you look at the site's Opening Explorer set on Master Games, you get as responses to 1. e4, numbers 7 Scandinavian (at 34,550) and number 8 Alekhine (at 29,192) and the 9th opening down the list is the Nimzovitch Defense (1....Nc6) at 8,561 examples and then Owens Defense (1....b6) with 2,878 examples.

Usually people pick these openings to avoid their opponents' opening preparation and reliance on standard opening memory. However, one plays these more obscure openings generally to one's detriment. Jacob Aagard has said that if you avoid playing critical positions, you avoid learning a lot about chess. There is a lot to that. I suppose it's all about what you want out of the game: an impressive win rate against confused or low-skilled opponents or more modest results earned after hard struggles against well-prepared opponents.

jmpchess12

I played the scandinavian for a little while on the theory that a small book would make it easier to prepare. It's honestly not as bad as some would have you believe and white can get into a lot of trouble if they deviate from best play. 

The issue though is best play for white is relatively natural and the strongest lines are painful for black. It's a second or third tier defense against 1.e4 (depending on how you do tiering). You're aiming for a familiarity advantage rather than the actual strength of the defense. 

I have no experience in the Alekhine from the black side as it has never appealed to me. I believe objectively it occupies a similar orbit to the Scandi and Pirc but seems to be far less popular than either of those openings. It seems playable enough if you study it up, so perhaps would suit the player looking to know more than their opponent at the cost of objective strength well. 

DrSpudnik
jmpchess12 wrote:

I played the scandinavian for a little while on the theory that a small book would make it easier to prepare. It's honestly not as bad as some would have you believe and white can get into a lot of trouble if they deviate from best play. 

The issue though is best play for white is relatively natural and the strongest lines are painful for black. It's a second or third tier defense against 1.e4 (depending on how you do tiering). You're aiming for a familiarity advantage rather than the actual strength of the defense. 

I have no experience in the Alekhine from the black side as it has never appealed to me. I believe objectively it occupies a similar orbit to the Scandi and Pirc but seems to be far less popular than either of those openings. It seems playable enough if you study it up, so perhaps would suit the player looking to know more than their opponent at the cost of objective strength well. 

I think you pretty much nailed it.

sndeww

I’m my completely biased experience with 2,400 alekhine defense games, I would pick alekhines every time.

Objectively, the Scandinavian would be better in classical, but in rapid and blitz where you do not have as much time to convert a +0.68 position, I would say alekhines.

Its more narrow, theory wise, and doesn’t lose by force. The only con is that it isn’t an explosive opening- you rarely have the option to attack the king or fight in an open center. There’s more maneuvering and subtlety in the independent options available to black.

If you’re itching to get something going, I wouldn’t recommend the alekhine.

Anthrocene
Scandinavian is much, much easier to play well. If white knows theory Alekhine’s is a knife edge from losing. Main problem with mainline scandy is too solid/simple. There is always the portugese variation in the scandy too, if you want to be super aggressive, but less dubious than Alekhine’s. At the end of the day though, just play what is fun (because you will also know it better) if you are a non GM.
sndeww
Anthrocene wrote:
Scandinavian is much, much easier to play well. If white knows theory Alekhine’s is a knife edge from losing.

It really isn't but ok. Just caters to different people.

Anthrocene
I just mean because scandy is kinda just a simple system of piece placement against most/many lines. Alekhine’s you need quite different responses depending on white. But sure, point taken, as always a matter of taste in the ens.
sndeww

I would agree if you mean that for most people, the alekhine's is harder to handle. I think most people are just uncomfortable playing the alekhine, where white's space advantage is so evident.