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Underpants_Gnome89

I am looking to adopt a serious opening repritor.

I have been Jumping around trying new openings over the years. openings like morphys gambit were fun to play but are not sound openings.

After a revaluation of my strengths or weaknesses and personality type I have settled that I prefer slow openings based on solid position and calculation. My favorite GMs are Kasparov.Capablanca, and  Botvinnik

My coach and I have decided on 1.d4... 2.c4... to be my most solid openning  but also have 1.c4 

So maily I am working with queens gambit and the english opening the move on from there 

however sometimes I have to play black and I was thinking of adopting either the french or siclian defence 

For my solid positional calculating personality what do you suggest. Eventualy I will adopt both but what should I start with?

Thanks  

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I also play 1c4 with the same d4 later idea. ...I play an e6 Sicilian that often has transpositions to the French, especially via the c3 Sicilian to the Advance.Also prepared to go down the "traditional" queenside expansion against the KIA as black

At some stage I will vary it a bit and play the French ,therefore with overlapping areas already under my belt - and I always welcome these crossover areas.

TipsyGypsie

Najdorf sicilian

ThrillerFan

What are you guys smoking?  The Najdorf Sicilian is not a positional defense.  In fact, the vast majority of Sicilian lines are NOT positional.  The exception to that rule is possibly the Accelerated Dragon and the Kan and Taimanov lines.

If you are looking for positional, your best bets are 1...e5 or the Caro-Kann.

If you take the 1...e5 route, for a positional player, here's your best bets:

Ruy Lopez - Berlin Defense, Endgame Variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.e5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Ke8 (or 9...Bd7)

King's Gambit - Classical Declined (2...Bc5)

Danish Gambit - Decline it with 3...d5, forces IQP by White

Scotch - 4...g6, direct transposition to 3 Knights below after 5.Nc3 Bg7

Three Knights - 3...g6 variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7)

Vienna - 2...Nc6, just don't try for KGD lines unless White commits to Bc4.

asvpcurtis

Ask anyone below 2000 what defense they are least comfortable playing against and I guarantee a majority of the time you are going to hear the French if you want a positional game stay away from 1.e5 and for positional lines in the sicilian the Taimanov and kan lines are also nice. The nice thing about the French is the advance variation is most common at low levels and black is already slightly better believe it or not!

Saint_Anne

From what I read, Black is not slightly better in the French advance.  White concedes a Black initiative in exchange for long term plusses.  But, the White side of the advance can be difficult to play for amateurs.  I like both sides of the French advance.  When you want a position game, pick the French.  When you want to live on the edge, pick the Sicilian.

asvpcurtis

@candyass4ever the advantages each side gets really depends on which line in the advance is played by white although rest assured black is slightly better in every variation. The major ones being the Milner Barry gambit, which has less credibility than the black mar diemer, the be2 advance which is just passive black has an advantage due to whites d4 pawn being a weakness for the whole game and a small initiative, the a3 advance the only semi credible line but black gets all the fun with c4 black gets to make queenside development difficult as well as gets to attack.

MervynS

I agree with harryz and NearHeart, the Sicilian Kan/Taimanov

Underpants_Gnome89

Thanks guys lots of good Information here. 

Underpants_Gnome89
ThrillerFan wrote:

What are you guys smoking?  The Najdorf Sicilian is not a positional defense.  In fact, the vast majority of Sicilian lines are NOT positional.  The exception to that rule is possibly the Accelerated Dragon and the Kan and Taimanov lines.

If you are looking for positional, your best bets are 1...e5 or the Caro-Kann.

If you take the 1...e5 route, for a positional player, here's your best bets:

Ruy Lopez - Berlin Defense, Endgame Variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.e5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Ke8 (or 9...Bd7)

King's Gambit - Classical Declined (2...Bc5)

Danish Gambit - Decline it with 3...d5, forces IQP by White

Scotch - 4...g6, direct transposition to 3 Knights below after 5.Nc3 Bg7

Three Knights - 3...g6 variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7)

Vienna - 2...Nc6, just don't try for KGD lines unless White commits to Bc4.

Thanks for the info Like I said I am completely new to black openings i will look at those. 

CP6033

I play the French, it is awesome, however it can get tiresome, so i am learning the Scicilian,

CP6033

all openings are going to end up equel with accurate play. so pick the one you like best, with the resulting position you like best.

rtaeyoung

I recommend the french: sicilian is too complicated. But if you want a solid positional game, caro-kann is much better. If you like playing aggressive, modern pterodactyl is the best. A very sound position. 

Spruce_Goose

I have a soft spot for the Scheveningen Sicilian.  Seems to create counterplay for me

Mandy711

If you have much time, study Sicilian defense. If you have some time, study French defense. Both are sound defense. I preferred Sicilian Najdorf as I enjoy complicated battle.

toiyabe

Real men play 1...c5.  

DrSpudnik

There's less to remember with the French. And Sicilian theory is so complex that it is hard to get a grip on it all. Overwhelming.

Underpants_Gnome89

Thanks for the reply everyone

einstein99

Only Frenchies play the French.

ChessinBlackandWhite

Also, ironically, I find white is often better prepared against c5 than e6