but the idea is similar to the one in the cambridge springs
Simple Refutation of the Fritz Gambit
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p-wnattack wrote:
no 5...Qc8 like a boss and you don't have to give up a pawn
Except 6.Nc3 and you lose a pawn anyways.
Yereslov wrote:
It's not really better for black, though. It's pretty much even:
You must be joking. White is in deep trouble due to the unlucky position of his queen, and multiple pawn structure liabilities.
Stats aren't always indicative, but in my database white has scored 3.5 out of 19 from that position- not a perfect achievement, for sure.
Mainline_Novelty wrote:
p-wnattack wrote:
Mainline_Novelty wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Here is a safer and better refutation:
Pop Quiz : Without referring to any outside soucre, how do you answer 4.cd cd 5.Qb3? (nobody else help him)
took me forever to find that don't judge lol
Have I not showed you this trap before...
I will show you the entire line:
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Mainline_Novelty wrote:
p-wnattack wrote:
no 5...Qc8 like a boss and you don't have to give up a pawn
Except 6.Nc3 and you lose a pawn anyways.
ok i missed that because of Qa4+ darn it lol
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
It's not really better for black, though. It's pretty much even:
You must be joking. White is in deep trouble due to the unlucky position of his queen, and multiple pawn structure liabilities.
Stats aren't always indicative, but in my database white has scored 3.5 out of 19 from that position- not a perfect achievement, for sure.
And what's the average rating of the opposition?
So even accepting the gambit is worse for white...
That kind of defeats the point. Right?
Yereslov wrote:
And what's the average rating of the opposition?
You can include an IM, rated 2480, between the white victims.
The overall average can't be very high, since the Grob is played almost exclusively by woodpushers.
Another trap:
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
And what's the average rating of the opposition?
You can include an IM, rated 2480, between the white victims.
The overall average can't be very high, since the Grob is played almost exclusively by woodpushers.
Claude Bloodgood was an expert with this opening, and he was no woodpusher.
For a time he was the strongest player in the U.S.
Yereslov wrote:
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
And what's the average rating of the opposition?
You can include an IM, rated 2480, between the white victims.
The overall average can't be very high, since the Grob is played almost exclusively by woodpushers.
Claude Bloodgood was an expert with this opening, and he was no woodpusher.
For a time he was the strongest player in the U.S.
As with most of your posts, all I can say is "I really hope you're trolling."
Am64360_2 wrote:
That variation is even worse.
Mainline_Novelty wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
And what's the average rating of the opposition?
You can include an IM, rated 2480, between the white victims.
The overall average can't be very high, since the Grob is played almost exclusively by woodpushers.
Claude Bloodgood was an expert with this opening, and he was no woodpusher.
For a time he was the strongest player in the U.S.
As with most of your posts, all I can say is "I really hope you're trolling."
Well, second strongest. That is until he overpowered a guard and escaped prison.
@ Am643360_2: Care to say what you will play after 7...Nc5 or 7...Be6?
White's position is swiss cheese.
Black may also play 3...d4!? 4.Bxb7 Nd7 etc, when he is also fine, but I see no reason sacrificing the exchange- white is simply worse after 3...c6.
pfren wrote:
@ Am643360_2: Care to say what you will play after 7...Nc5 or 7...Be6?
White's position is swiss cheese.
Black may also play 3...d4!? 4.Bxb7 Nd7 etc, when he is also fine, but I see no reason sacrificing the exchange- white is simply worse after 3...c6.
You are right, but isn't it nice to know that even if the gambit is accepted black is better off?
Yereslov wrote:
CHCL wrote:
Do you play this line Yereslov? I would not recommend it.
I would, considering black is better.
I mean consider how insulted the opponent would be. He has a rook, but nowhere to go.
I like the psychological factor.
Interesting. Apparently that line scores even worse with engine analysis.
My line has something like 0.25+.
Yours is 0.00-0.07- for white.
Well, I think it depends. Yes, black has huge development and a psychological factor, but it is still a little tricky.
Yea, the computer's .25 doesn't fase me. I just like my line a little better for 2 reasons.
1. I learned it first ( I never learned dxc4). :P
2. It takes the c3 square for the night in return for a pawn (that you did not take.)
Am64360_2 wrote:
So that variation is wrong... Is this accurate?
4...Qd7?! is pointless. Just capture the pawn. I know you are worried about the b pawn, but it is no real threat.
4...cxd4 is better for black.
Am64360_2 wrote:
I'm assuming you mean dxc4? That is worse. (Even though Qd7
is slightly inferior to the main line.) Not only does the b pawn hang, but the c pawn also.
Just let Pfren school you.
no 5...Qc8 like a boss and you don't have to give up a pawn