Why not Austrian Attack? This is an interesting, relatively unknown line you can try:
Something against the pirc (i need it in the next hour :()
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Feb 3, 2014
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Well, this starts out as an Austrian, but instead of the main lines, which in some ways are good for Black, go with the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 and now:
5...O-O you answer with 6.Be3 (instead of the more traditional 6.Bd3) with the idea of a quick Qd2 and castling long with a massive Kingside attack. If you like opposite side castling battles, where both sides storm pawns, this line should be right up your alley. Many other 1.e4 lines end up with this type of game, like the Yugoslav Attack, so shouldn't be too hard to understand the concepts.
5...c5, DO NOT ANSWER with 6.Bb5+, a line that most players as Black know inside and out, and theoretically, White doesn't really get much. Instead, answer it with 6.dxc5! After Black's only decent move, 6...Qa5, you play 7.Qd4! Now the main line goes 7...dxc5 (not a move Pirc players enjoy playing, but it's the best he's got) 8.Qc4 O-O 9.e5!, Black has two main options. 9...Ng4, which leads to dynamic play, or the more recent idea which in my humble opinion isn't any good for Black, namely 9...Be6. After 10.Qb5 Qxb5, the "original" idea was that White would take with the Knight, but Black gets an excellent game. Instead, 11.Bxb5! Nd5 12.Nxd5 Bxd5 13.Be3 is Advantage White. Black's two main responses are 13...b6 and 13...c4 (trying to question the Bishop). Technically, c5 isn't threatened because after Rc8, c2 is going to fall, but it's not like Black has much better to do.
After 13...b6, White should castle Queenside with 14.O-O-O and he's already better. If Black decides to try to wreck White's pawns, it doesn't hurt him. The doubled f-pawns and open g-file are fine for White.
A game I had maybe 2 1/2 weeks ago over the board with this exact idea can be found at the following link. Of course, White won!
http://www.charlottechess.com/games2/1253.htm
ThrillerFan wrote:
Well, this starts out as an Austrian, but instead of the main lines, which in some ways are good for Black, go with the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 and now:
5...O-O you answer with 6.Be3 (instead of the more traditional 6.Bd3) with the idea of a quick Qd2 and castling long with a massive Kingside attack. If you like opposite side castling battles, where both sides storm pawns, this line should be right up your alley. Many other 1.e4 lines end up with this type of game, like the Yugoslav Attack, so shouldn't be too hard to understand the concepts.
5...c5, DO NOT ANSWER with 6.Bb5+, a line that most players as Black know inside and out, and theoretically, White doesn't really get much. Instead, answer it with 6.dxc5! After Black's only decent move, 6...Qa5, you play 7.Qd4! Now the main line goes 7...dxc5 (not a move Pirc players enjoy playing, but it's the best he's got) 8.Qc4 O-O 9.e5!, Black has two main options. 9...Ng4, which leads to dynamic play, or the more recent idea which in my humble opinion isn't any good for Black, namely 9...Be6. After 10.Qb5 Qxb5, the "original" idea was that White would take with the Knight, but Black gets an excellent game. Instead, 11.Bxb5! Nd5 12.Nxd5 Bxd5 13.Be3 is Advantage White. Black's two main responses are 13...b6 and 13...c4 (trying to question the Bishop). Technically, c5 isn't threatened because after Rc8, c2 is going to fall, but it's not like Black has much better to do.
After 13...b6, White should castle Queenside with 14.O-O-O and he's already better. If Black decides to try to wreck White's pawns, it doesn't hurt him. The doubled f-pawns and open g-file are fine for White.
A game I had maybe 2 1/2 weeks ago over the board with this exact idea can be found at the following link. Of course, White won!
Well i would be glad to play this particular line, but there are a lot of spots in the way where black can just play something else, and again i'm the one who is outside of theory. Well, i guess i'd play the austrian attack anyway. Thanks for the idea.
By the way, I don't like 7.Qd4, walking yourself into a pin, this is a 1900 player, he will get all the tactical juice out of such a position.
Anyway, thanks :D
Feb 3, 2014
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#5
He's 1900, I'm 2078 - I'd blow him away! The guy I beat in the game link I gave is about 2015 (higher than the lowly 1900 you are talking). 3 weeks ago I also beat a 2070 player that played the 5...O-O line.
The Pirc is a lot easier to beat than more sound stuff, like the Najdorf Sicilian.
Also, what pin? Are you talking about a discovery by Black?
Well, i have an OTB game in jerusalem championship for teenagers in an hour, and i know that a big part of the people there play the pirc. They know all the theory, well better than me of course, and they know how to get the other player out of theory.
The solution, i need something which is completley playable (with a slight advantage for white) and will get them out of theory. AKA, not classical variation and austrian attack.