Symmetrical drawish openings

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Skynet

I'm looking for openings that are both symmetrical and drawish.

Petrov
Spanish Four Knights
Italian Four Knights
French Exchange
Slav Exchange
Symmetrical English
QGA 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.dxc5

Krames
I’ll play anyone in the French exchange, I’ll play black, 3 min blitz, there won’t be a draw.
The_Artist_of_Chess

Why? Chess is meant to be played for a win. Why shoot for second place when you can win the tournament?

Ethan_Brollier
Krames wrote:
I’ll play anyone in the French exchange, I’ll play black, 3 min blitz, there won’t be a draw.

Same exact thing here brother. I eat Monte Carlos for breakfast.

Chessflyfisher

Well, if drawing a game gives you 1st place and a large sum of money, why not?

BILLY_AGAPITIDIS

If you play the exchange French with white, you should be arrested for crime against chess.

Chessflyfisher
Skynet wrote:

I'm looking for openings that are both symmetrical and drawish.

Petrov
Spanish Four Knights
Italian Four Knights
French Exchange
Slav Exchange
Symmetrical English
QGA 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.O-O a6 7.dxc5

These are forbidden in my Chess club. Anyone caught playing any of this crap (even with the opponent's agreement) will be fined and suspended from even entering our club for 3 months. I know, it's a little harsh (and 3 guys are appealing this to the USCF) but it is for promoting the integrity of the game.

MaetsNori
Krames wrote:
I’ll play anyone in the French exchange, I’ll play black, 3 min blitz, there won’t be a draw.

... because you'll lose, you mean?

tongue (I'm kidding.)

Ethan_Brollier
TheNameofNames wrote:

i dont understand the spanish four knights hate

Yeah Spanish Four Knights and Scotch Four Knights are both perfectly fine, aggressive openings. It’s the Italian Four Knights that’s the real issue.

Ilampozhil25

italian four knights proper... black decides to keep the game interesting or boring

exceptionalfork
Krames wrote:
I’ll play anyone in the French exchange, I’ll play black, 3 min blitz, there won’t be a draw.

Correct, it would probably not be a draw. Not sure if that's a good thing for you though.

These are your stats after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5, with you playing black. You have a 39.8% winrate vs the Exchange.

In fact, your opponents win more with the Exchange against you than both The Advance and Nc3, so I'm really not sure what the point of your post is...

WCPetrosian

After 3 exd5 exd5 the position is identical and white is a tempo up. The tempo should count for a little something. So why doesn't it?

At ChessBase white scores 48%, black 52%. However, the average rating of those playing 3 exd5 is 2385. The average rating of those replying 3...exd5 is 2429. A 44 point rating difference. That helps explain the scoring difference.

At 365Chess's Masters+ database it's 50%-50% scoring for white and black. A whopping 71.2% of those games are draws. In the Master's database can't see the average rating of those playing 3 exd5 vs the average rating of those replying 3...exd5 but it is likely slightly higher for black which would explain the tempo being neutralised.

arosbishop

The Hippo is very symmetrical and can be drawish if you play it that way. But it can also be very good as a counter attacking opening if you are good and the opponent opens for it.

Ilampozhil25

44 points of rating difference suggests 56% win for the higher rated player

so white performs 4% better than expected (rating alone) in the exchange

this is a very good way to neutralise rating differences in databases

badger_song
exceptionalfork wrote:
Krames wrote:
I’ll play anyone in the French exchange, I’ll play black, 3 min blitz, there won’t be a draw.

Correct, it would probably not be a draw. Not sure if that's a good thing for you though.

SAVAGE.

exceptionalfork
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

After 3 exd5 exd5 the position is identical and white is a tempo up. The tempo should count for a little something. So why doesn't it?

At ChessBase white scores 48%, black 52%. However, the average rating of those playing 3 exd5 is 2385. The average rating of those replying 3...exd5 is 2429. A 44 point rating difference. That helps explain the scoring difference.

At 365Chess's Masters+ database it's 50%-50% scoring for white and black. A whopping 71.2% of those games are draws. In the Master's database can't see the average rating of those playing 3 exd5 vs the average rating of those replying 3...exd5 but it is likely slightly higher for black which would explain the tempo being neutralised.

Yes, the Exchange French is certainly more drawish at master level. I was specifically commenting on @Krames's stats versus it, which isn't any more drawish at his level than the other main moves he faces.

Also, your stats have now made me interested in looking at the stats for my main opening against the French (the Monte Carlo Exchange). Thanks.

Ilampozhil25

just like the positions in these openings