If it works for you and you enjoy it, so be it. But honestly, the only time I'd play the Colle is if I'm transposing into it after the main lines like the anti-colle or early c5 are no longer playable. Transpositions like this are possible from the Saragossa, the Zukertort, 1. d4 > 2. Nd2 (a very legit line), the Nimzo Larsen, and a few other odd lines. But going into a straight Colle... it's not something I'd recommend since black has some strong responses to it which just aren't very pleasant to deal with, but to each their own.
I do play the Colle in one small transposition in my current repertoire - only when black has played e6 + Nf3 + d5. In this case you can queenside fiancetto and maintain good control over e5 / rotate your knight to occupy that square, and it can be good.
There are also a variety of Colle-like positions with a similar fiancetto, which while they're not technically the Colle... in spirit they're along the same lines. An example would be the quiet slav where white plays e3 / fiancettos Bb2 early on. Those lines can be good too, for similar reasons - control over e5 and knights occupying that square. In this case c6 is a wasted tempo so it's even better.
The Colle-Zukertort System
It's a very good opening, but I stopped playing it because I got really bored. I play Blitz for fun. Now, if I ever go back to classical chess, I would probably play the Colle more than once, just like I used to play the London system. In fact, I like the Colle more because with the London, Black has variations with Qb6 that really annoy me. On the other hand, with the Colle, you have the bishop on c1 protecting the b2 square. It's a more relaxed and humble system.
If it works for you and you enjoy it, so be it. But honestly, the only time I'd play the Colle is if I'm transposing into it after the main lines like the anti-colle or c5 are no longer playable. Transpositions like this are possible from the Saragossa, the Zukertort, 1. d4 > 2. Nd2 (a very legit line), and a few other odd lines. But going into a straight Colle... it's not something I'd recommend since black has some strong responses to it which just aren't very pleasant to deal with, but to each their own.
Hi, I agree it isn't perfect - no opening is! I am recommending this mainly to beginner/intermediate players who feel like they struggle with the opening and middlegame. It teaches you about how important square control is, and themes such as rook lifts, same-side castling attacks, pawn storms, (greek gift) sacrifices etc. I have attached a link to a video surrounding how to combat Anti-Colle systems which I have had great success with. Thank you for your suggestions on the Saragossa and Zukertort, I will give them a look!
I play the Colle... I focus on the Koltanowski var over the Zuckertort. I believe the Koltanowski offers more options in transpositioning into various "Reversed Queen's Gambit w/move varations. E.g. Reversed QGA or a Reversed Campridge Springs. (Take what I just wrote and reference it when Black play 1...d5 and 2...c5)
Also playing the Koltanowski as a true Semi-Slav with a move against Nc6 main lines has removed a major weapon Black had.
If you play the Colle (either var ) all of Rudel's works are a must. There is a lot of garbage on the Colle in print... many authors have just regurgitated bad lines leading the Colle player astray. This goes double for Anti-Colle lines. Rudel's works although a decade old still will point you in the right direction as far as Anti-Colle lines. HE Really called out a lot of authors saying to play crap lines. Pavolvic's "The Modernized Colle Zuckertort Attack" is a must regardless of what Colle var you play.
When you get done booking up on the Colle Main lines, all the favorable transpositions, the various Anti-Colle lines, then booking up on decent lines against the Indian defenses afforded after 1.d4 2. e3 & Nf3 .... its not that much smaller "Theoretically" than Main lines. (*** So you better love the Colle because it's not going to save you much in study time if you want to play it seriously )
I play the Colle... I focus on the Koltanowski var over the Zuckertort. I believe the Koltanowski offers more options in transpositioning into various "Reversed Queen's Gambit w/move varations. E.g. Reversed QGA or a Reversed Campridge Springs. (Take what I just wrote and reference it when Black play 1...d5 and 2...c5)
Also playing the Koltanowski as a true Semi-Slav with a move against Nc6 main lines has removed a major weapon Black had.
If you play the Colle (either var ) all of Rudel's works are a must. There is a lot of garbage on the Colle in print... many authors have just regurgitated bad lines leading the Colle player astray. This goes double for Anti-Colle lines. Rudel's works although a decade old still will point you in the right direction as far as Anti-Colle lines. HE Really called out a lot of authors saying to play crap lines. Pavolvic's "The Modernized Colle Zuckertort Attack" is a must regardless of what Colle var you play.
When you get done booking up on the Colle Main lines, all the favorable transpositions, the various Anti-Colle lines, then booking up on decent lines against the Indian defenses afforded after 1.d4 2. e3 & Nf3 .... its not that much smaller "Theoretically" than Main lines. (*** So you better love the Colle because it's not going to save you much in study time if you want to play it seriously )
Thank you so much for reminding me about Rudel! Need to give his stuff another look for sure![]()
As a beginner myself the only opening I can reliably get to work is the 4 knights game. Thanks for the post though maybe one day I'll get better and be able to utilize this opening.
As a beginner myself the only opening I can reliably get to work is the 4 knights game. Thanks for the post though maybe one day I'll get better and be able to utilize this opening.
Try it! Why not? Feel free to message me with any questions ![]()
Thanks I appreciate it. I actually have been trying to use this opening for several days now against the Antonio bot without success (I can easily win a 4 knights game). I'm going to go through that Susan Polgar DVD to see if it helps. I keep seeing people say it's an easy opening to use but it feels very overwhelming since the bot plays so many different openings against this.
Often times it's a battle for the e5 square, and when I do have control of it I struggle to find ideas from there. As a beginner I'm much more used to simply attacking down the center and I may be wrong but the Zukertort seems to be more geared towards attacking the king side.
To get a good grasp on the Colle ( Both the Zuckertort and the Koltanowski... ) you need to study the middle games of Stonewall Attack.
There are two main themes in the Colle ...
A) a central pawn thrust...usually pawn to e4. combined with a Kingside attack.
B) the institution of a Stonewall Attack usually combined with a king side attack.
In both ... the kingside attack could be multi faceted...tactics with piece attacks (combination or a king side pawn storms ... or a combination of both with sacs (think Greek Gift) later on you will learn to feint these threats to attack something totally unrelated on the Queenside etc) by that time you will be know the minutia of the opening allowing you to take advantage of minor inaccuracies. The Colle is one of the opening that even if Black has equalized, thier is still enough play in the opening for a decent game to be had by White.
Thanks a lot for the input! I'm not familiar with the stonewall attack so this could explain some of my difficulties.
It's hard for me to play this at times when they go Nf6 -> Ne4 at the beginning and then they bring the dark square bishop and it's cramped.
There's a couple of people on YouTube who say apart from the kings Indian you can play this against anything, obviously it needs to be adapted. What thoughts have you guy's got
It's worth noting, for slav or semi-slav players, the lines you play against the quiet slavs you can probably transpose into from the Colle... stonewall dutch, meran, schallop can often be reached. The stonewall dutch is especially nice because, since e3 is already played, they won't be able to trade off the DSBs and it's viable almost regardless of whites followup. c3 is also bad against it, but alot of Colle players will play that anyway.
I like this since it takes away most of the advantage white has in knowing the lines.
It's worth noting, for slav or semi-slav players, the lines you play against the quiet slavs you can probably transpose into from the Colle... stonewall dutch, meran, schallop can often be reached. The stonewall dutch is especially nice because, since e3 is already played, they won't be able to trade off the DSBs and it's viable almost regardless of whites followup. c3 is also bad against it, but alot of Colle players will play that anyway.
I like this since it takes away most of the advantage white has in knowing the lines.
In the 1980s Artur Yusupov as the world's no#3 (Kasparov and Karpov were 1 and 2) wouldn't have played an opening that was was so easily thwarted.
He was a huge proponent of openings and ideas pre WWII He dusted of the Colle-Zuckertort (really the ECO's D02-05 and played them with success against just about everyone but Kasparov in his prime with it. He revamped the Lasker's Defense in the QGD and made it popular in the 1980s.. And his Torre Attack against Indian defenses was amazing. His Petroff ( pre WWI was much more popular than it is today)
Your example, stonewall dutch, meran, schallop can often be reached. The stonewall dutch is especially nice because, since e3 is already played, they won't be able to trade off the DSBs and it's viable almost regardless of whites follow up.
Pre World War II 1.d4 2. Nf3 and 3.e3 was almost as popular as 1.d4 2.c4 and 3.Nc3. Master's built whole repertoires around 1.d4 2. Nf3 and 3.e3. "Obviously the Dutch Stonewall was around pre-WWII... One has to ask.... So what did 1.d4 2. Nf3 and 3.e3 play against the Ditch Stonewall?
Watch out for this line (or a variation of it)
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 f5 5. c4 Nf6 6. O-O Bd6 7. b3 Ne4 8. Ba3 Bxa3 9. Nxa3 Nd7 10. Qc2
Once Black's DSB comes off the board... there is no Kingside attack... White on the other... has a ton of initiative on the queenside.
A lot of masters (not all) didn't play the LSB to g2 People nowadays seem to forget the old lines.. I'm going to state with confidence a 61.5% win ratio stemming from .70 +- evaluation from Stockfish 18 has the same weight over the board today as it did back then...(especially if White knows this line) *** I've done my fare share of crushing the Dutch Stonewall with it... lol
A lot of the old lines never where refuted... or they just got tired of fighting in them and moved on.
A lot of people think all old lines were refuted or are inferior to the modern lines... IMO it's a case be case situation
Best regards
The position you provided is a game from the pre-engine era, where black plays the dutch immediately and white gets to respond exactly how he would like... white plays c4 > Ba6 in two moves, transposing into the quiet slav. Instead of that, Black can delay f5, first playing Bd6 > Nd7. In the Colle, this leads to better versions of the stonewall then what black gets in the slav. Black can choose between multiple plans, one of which is a stonewall, others which involve pushing e5 immediately (if you're too passive, like you castle and delay committing). Black can avoid the bishop trades or force white to waste 3 tempos to achieve it, where it's no longer good.
Here at move 5, 29% of white players proceed with 5. Nbd2. After 5... f5, leela scores this +0.15. I've never seen a dutch score that well. The bishop can no longer be traded since the knight doesn't support the idea.
7% play 5. c3 instead, but it's the same story, leela calls it +0.15. After Qe7 white doesn't even have time for trading off the bishops here, c4 is the best move... c3 was a wasted tempo -
If white plays it slow and castles, 5. O-O Nbd7... what black does next depends on whites 6th move. If 6. Nbd2 or 6. c3, then 6... f5. But if 6. b3, then the immediate 6... e5 can be played instead, and it's basically equal:
Another strong positive is that it blunts whites typical Colle plan of pushing e4 and launching his own kingside attack. White has to adapt to a different style of game.
As far as equalizing is concerned this might be the best version of the stonewall. It's definitely better then what white gets in the slav, which is played regularly.
Many beginners and intermediate players struggle with consistently following opening principles and navigating middlegame positions. I had the exact same problem until this opening provided me with a comfortable position and easy middlegame plans!
Setup:
This opening fights for the centre with 1.d4, and after 1...d5, we play 2.Nf3, developing our knight to the most natural square, adding more control to important e5 square - our main focus here, and what will motivate our play. The typical Colle system continues 2...Nf6 3.e3. Doesn't this break opening principles by blocking in our dark-squared bishop? Yes, so this is why we play the Colle-Zukertort system, and fianchetto it by playing b3 and Bb2! Our other knight goes to the d2 square, controlling the e4 square, but not stopping the c-pawn from pushing if necessary, with our light-squared bishop going to d3 also controlling the e4 square and aiming at Black's kingside. We castle kingside and aim for a same-side castling attack! Eventually, you will end up with the below position, showcasing Black's typical response.
Plans (into the early middlegame):
Notice that if Black ever plays cxd4, we play exd4, maintaining our control of e5. Black will then attempt to generate counterplay down the semi-open c-file with Rc8, while we play on the kingside - we can always simply defend our c-pawn with Rac1 or advance it to c3 or c4 if necessary. To complete our development and start this kingside attack, we often play moves such as the rook lift Rf3-Rg3/Rh3, Qf3-Qg3/Qh3, and maybe even g4 to start a pawn storm!
With both our sniper bishops now aiming at the kingside, our knight centrally posted on e5, and our pieces positioned nicely on the kingside, every move we scan for sacrificial tactics around Black's king. More often than not, this is our favourite Greek Gift! In fact, in my first ever OTB game, I got this exact tactic - a quick walk around was needed to prepare myself for sacrificing like this in my first tournament game...
This was only the beginning! Yes, the knight can take, but Qh5 threatens checkmate, so the opponent has to give it back. Now up a pawn, and having weakened Black's kingside, I execute the plans laid out before. Look how the pressure on the kingside is far too much, and mate is coming! In this same tournament, I also won a game using these ideas, combining them with a kingside pawn storm. The engine gives the following position around equality, but practically, I prefer this for White as it is much easier to attack than defend.
The equality here comes from the fact that I didn't manage to stop Black's control of e4 - look how strong their knights would be on that outpost! However, the pressure got too much for my opponent, and I won just moves later.
It wouldn't be a legitimate post about this opening without giving credit to Susan Polgar for her amazing work on this opening. In the previous position, when I didn't know what to play, I asked myself 'WWSPD': What would Susan Polgar do? In reality, Susan would probably have played c4, but by thinking about model games I have seen, I was able to come up with a plan. I urge you to watch the below videos to gain a deeper understanding of this opening and all its intricacies!
Susan Polgar's 2-hour deep dive into this opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KFKjvid8I
Robert Ramirez - how to deal with those pesky Anti-Colle systems:
https://youtu.be/Pqea2478iRM
Simon Williams - free GM lesson on the opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frl5-esN4ZM
I hope that this introduction to this amazing easy-to-play opening and the beautiful tactics it allows for inspires you to play it and no longer feel lost in the opening and middlegame. I will end this post with a thematic beautiful double bishop sacrifice: