The Fred Defense

Maybe you won cause you were rated 800 points higher.

Hello, 

If you play this "defense" in Blitz games, chances are you'll have a lot of successes, especially if you know the lines and your opponent wants to punish you for daring to play such moves against him. Often, chess is about ego..., not elo !

Actually, the "serious" players could play it as it is real chess. I mean the "serious player" is mainly reciting openings and variations and most of the time, you gotta wait the 2Oth move to really start playing. The advantage of the Fred is you start playing as of the very first move.

I personally call 1.e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 the "drunk man defense". I like chess engine games and I have built up a database dealing with that opening. The games are surprisingly very long when Hiarcs or Deep Shredder, for instance, are confronting each other. This is why I think the "serious players" (id over 2800 ELO) could give it a try. Here's a most recent exemple. Deep Rybka 4 (White side) is defeated : 

Deep Rybka 4 - Stockfish 1.7.1 0-1

Drunk man defense tournament

5/2010

B00 - Irregular Opening

1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Kf7 3.Qh5+ g6 +2.82/18 4.fxg6+ Kg7 +2.86/19 5.gxh7 Rxh7 +3.11/20 6.Qe5+ Nf6 +3.23/18 7.Bd3 Rh6 +3.31/20 8.Qg3+ Kf7 +3.11/18 9.Nf3 Nc6 +3.27/16 10.h3 e6 +2.30/17 11.Nc3 Bd6 +2.02/19 12.Qg5 Qh8 +2.06/18 13.a3 b6 +1.33/17 14.Nb5 Bb7 +1.01/16 15.Bf1 Rh5 +0.80/15 16.Qe3 Ne5 +0.28/25 17.Nxd6+ cxd6 +0.20/14 18.Ng5+ Rxg5 +0.00/19 19.Qxg5 Rg8 +0.00/21 20.Qf4 Rxg2 +0.00/22 21.Be2 Rg8 -0.52/19 22.Rf1 Qxh3 -0.24/19 23.f3 Rg2 -2.58/18 24.d3 Ke7 -2.38/21 25.Qe3 Nh5 -4.04/18 26.Rf2 Qh4 -4.92/19 27.d4 Rg1+ -5.13/18 28.Kd2 Ng3 -5.45/19 29.dxe5 Nf5 -5.49/20 30.exd6+ Kf7 -5.49/20 31.Qe5 Qxf2 -5.69/19 32.Kc3 Re1 -5.73/19 33.Bg5 Rxa1 -5.57/19 34.Qf6+ Kg8 -5.93/18 35.Qd8+ Kh7 -5.73/20 36.Qxd7+ Kg6 -5.93/20 37.Qxe6+ Kxg5 -5.81/19 38.Qg8+ Kf4 -5.93/19 39.Qc4+ Ke5 -5.97/19 40.d7 Qe1+ -6.06/17 41.Kb3 Nd4+ -5.81/18 42.Qxd4+ Kxd4 -6.06/19 43.d8(Q)+ Ke3 -5.81/18 44.Bd3 Bxf3 -6.14/17 45.Qe7+ Kf2 -6.18/19 46.Qh4+ Kg2 -6.18/22 47.Qg5+ Qg3 -6.26/20 48.Qd2+ Kh3 -6.26/22 49.Qh6+ Qh4 -6.26/19 50.Qd2 Kg3 -6.58/19 51.Qc3 Qf4 -6.62/19 52.Qg7+ Kf2 -6.86/22 53.Kc3 Rd1 -7.03/20 54.Qe7 Rb1 -7.39/21 55.Qg7 a5 -7.79/19 56.Qe7 a4 -8.00/20 57.Qg7 Qe3 -8.52/24 58.Qd4 Qxd4+ -9.85/24 59.Kxd4 Rxb2 -10.14/26 60.Kc3 Ra2 -15.79/26 61.Bb5 Rxa3+ -21.17/23 62.Kb4 Ra1 -84.20/27 63.Bxa4 Rb1+ -89.14/30 64.Bb3 Ke3 -128.76/27 65.Kc3 Rxb3+ -93.67/29 66.cxb3 Be2 -#19/32 67.Kc2 Kd4 -#17/33 68.Kd2 Bd3 -#15/24 69.Ke1 Kc3 -#14/33 70.Kf2 Kxb3 -#13/31 71.Kg1 b5 -#12/18 72.Kf2 Kc4 -#12/15 73.Ke3 b4 -#10/14 74.Kf4 b3 -93.52/9 75.Ke5 b2 -#8/28 76.Kf4 b1(Q) -93.67/8 77.Ke5 Qb2+ -#6/29 78.Ke6 Qg7 -#6/7 79.Kd6 Bf5 -#3/100 80.Kc6 Qa7 -#2/100 81.Kd6 Qc5# -#1/100 

As you can see, the "serious player" can play up to 81 moves and defeat the white. Be it deep rybka. But you gotta be a serious player !!!

I have more games to post, of course with more white victories. As this one : 

Deep Shredder 11 - Stockfish 1.7.1

Drunk Man Defense Theme Tournament

24 mai 2010

B00 - Irregular Opening

1.e4 +0.31/7 0s f5 +1.32/15 1s 2.exf5 +1.32/14 3s Kf7 +3.15/12 1s 3.Qh5+ +3.15/12 1s g6 +3.15/17 0s 4.fxg6+ +3.15/14 1s Kg7 +3.15/15 0s 5.gxh7 +3.15/12 1s Rxh7 +3.15/14 0s 6.Qf3 +3.15/12 1s Kh8 +3.13/13 2s 7.d4 +3.40/13 1s Nf6 +3.40/13 2s 8.Bd3 +3.40/14 1s Rg7 +3.40/13 4s 9.Nc3 +3.27/11 2s d6 +3.57/13 0s 10.Bh6 +3.57/12 0s Rg8 +3.70/13 1s 11.Bxf8 +3.70/12 0s Qxf8 +3.67/13 0s 12.Bc4 +3.45/13 6s Rg7 +3.50/12 0s 13.O-O-O +3.42/13 8s Nc6 +3.53/13 0s 14.Nge2 +3.53/12 0s Bd7 +3.36/10 1s 15.Rhg1 +3.36/11 1s e5 +3.20/13 2s 16.h3 +3.20/12 2s exd4 +3.22/12 2s 17.Nxd4 +3.22/12 0s Ne5 +3.22/11 0s 18.Qe2 +3.22/12 0s Nxc4 +3.22/11 0s 19.Qxc4 +3.22/12 1s Re8 +3.22/11 2s 20.Nde2 +3.06/13 0s b5 +3.14/11 0s 21.Qh4+ +3.21/10 2s Rh7 +3.28/13 0s 22.Qd4 +3.28/13 1s Qh6+ +3.28/12 2s 23.Nf4 +3.39/12 2s Re5 +3.22/13 1s 24.Kb1 +3.22/12 0s a5 +3.26/12 1s 25.Rge1 +3.26/11 1s Rhe7 +3.13/13 4s 26.Rxe5 +3.26/13 1s Rxe5 +3.26/14 0s 27.Ncd5 +3.26/13 0s c5 +2.57/14 3s 28.Qc3 +2.57/13 0s Nxd5 +2.57/14 1s 29.Nxd5 +2.57/15 1s b4 +2.57/14 0s 30.Qd3 +2.57/13 0s Bf5 +2.40/13 3s 31.Qf3 +2.45/11 7s Be4 +2.58/14 1s 32.Qf4 +2.34/14 5s Kg7 +2.38/14 2s 33.Qg4+ +2.38/13 5s Qg6 +2.79/14 0s 34.Qd7+ +2.79/14 1s Qf7 +2.79/15 2s 35.Qg4+ +2.11/12 2s Qg6 +2.09/12 1s 36.Qd7+ +2.36/12 6s Qf7 +2.40/14 4s 37.Qxf7+ +2.79/14 1s Kxf7 +2.75/16 0s 38.Nf4 +2.75/15 3s Bh7 +3.15/15 0s 39.Kc1 +3.02/15 2s Ke7 +3.29/15 0s 40.g4 +3.23/15 3s Kd7 +3.23/14 3s 41.h4 +3.37/13 3s Be4 +3.53/14 3s 42.Rg1 +3.62/13 4s Bc6 +4.51/14 2s 43.h5 +4.91/15 5s Re4 +4.86/15 8s 44.Ng6 +5.30/16 2s Re8 +5.22/14 3s 45.f4 +5.31/15 5s Ke6 +5.18/13 0s 46.f5+ +5.35/15 1s Kf7 +5.21/14 5s 47.g5 +5.32/14 1s Bd7 +5.51/12 0s 48.f6 +6.55/13 2s Bc6 +7.86/15 0s 49.Ne7 +6.55/14 1s Bf3 +6.84/12 5s 50.Nf5 +8.36/14 4s Ra8 +8.42/14 3s 51.Nh6+ +8.67/16 2s Ke6 +8.67/17 0s 52.Re1+ +8.67/16 1s  1-0 Black resigns.

They certainly must have done so, indeed !

i wanted to play Dutch defense after i watched it on youtube, then realized i was in the wrong position for it a bit to late.. (i was new to dutch) So i tried to play the best i could without knowing the game type.
It turned out to be Fred's opening (who ??)

Here is the game i hope you enjoy it, and sure blunders caused me to win this game, but i have to say also sometimes an atack works, because surprise is part of the attack too. what surpriced me most, was that it didnt seam to be such a bad opening afterall, in this variation.

if so can you tell me if i played it good or wrong, i think the knight under the pawn, was a good thing (makes queen attack useless) also offering the next pawn to release queen seamed to be good. So far i have not spotted real 'big' weaknesses in it

This is a very strange defense for me. What's the highest level it's used in?

I think I have found a winning line for White, 1.e4 f5 2. Qh5+ g6 3. Qf3 Nf6 4.exf5 gxf5 5.Qxf5 d5 6. Qf4. At least, I think it's good...

i find this a real cool defense but with little information about it, anyon reccomends some pdf or website about it, i need a bit more then just to see one youtube winning line (but great examples so far in this blog)

mine wasn't from youtube

2.ef5      86 games   70%   Last played 2010   Best Elo 2449

2.e5        12 games   67%          IBID             Best Elo 2033

2.other    28 games  25 - 50%    2003-11       Best Elo 2256

SOURCE: ChessBase BIG DB 2011 (5.25 million games)

Here are my comments on your opening moves.  

1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Nf6 (I do prefer 2...Kf7 in general -- I feel that it is the main point of the opening for Black.  However objectively 2...Nf6 is obviously better.  ) 3.Nf3! (3.d4! d5 4.Bd3 is considered best) 3...e6!? is a fantastic idea.  (Most people would play 3...d5 and try to go for 3...Bxf5) After 4.fxe6 dxe6 Black will play Bd6 and castle (as you did.)  I was skeptical when I saw that you played 8...Qf7 but I can't argue with the result.  I might give this line a shot if I'm playing against someone who's closer to me in rating, and 2...Kf7 isn't an option.  

i know what you mean. but my rating is low cause i don't play on here. and that sac was easy to spot 

This comment is so funny that I would love to see it quoted in an upcoming book on the Fred.  

A couple of comments:

• 2.Nf3 transposes to the Lisitin Gambit, which I agree is interesting. 
• 3.Ng5 is more common, for example 3...Nf6 4.d3 with compensation. 
• If you're going to play 5.Be2 then why not 4.Be2 right away?  
• In your final position after 6...g6 7.Nxg6 hxg6 8.Bxg6+ Kd7 followed by ...Rg8 looks better for Black. 

Here's a variation known as the "Mao Tse Tung Gambit" in Russia.  (Because Black's King makes a Long March to h8.)  Also of interest:  in this game Black delivers mate by moving his King sideways. 

I see there are many openings I don't know. I wonder how I managed to surpass 1800 at last.

But why don't you start a thematic tournament with this Fred which I wouldn't even chose after having drank a bottle of Jim Beam