The Fried Liver Attack and the Lolli Attack

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Conquistador

If white plays 5.Nxf7, then the position is equal.

If white plays 5.d4, I think the position is close to equal, but newer theory is indicating that the older main lines are not as good for black as previously thought.

If white plays 5.Bxf7+, then black has to watch his move carefully or otherwise he will be in trouble.  With best play, black has to accept some disadvantage, but he can still go for the draw.  Despite saying this, white has to know the pathway to this advantage as natural moves can be punished.  It takes a lot longer for the initiative to develop in this variation then the Nxf7 variation, but it is just as deadly.

So, I guess you could say that it is playable in the sense that the Latvian Gambit is playable (except that it has a lot more winning chances for black and a lot less losing lines).  But don't play the old main line 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bb3 Rf8? as it is roasted by 7.Nc3.

bobmacambob

Amazing. Okay thanks! 

caesarsecundus

this is the old remedy to the Fried Liver...



pvmike

There is an article in the July 2009 issue of Chess Life Magazine that covers the fried liver attack and lolli attack. It's pretty good, you can view it online if you are a USCF member. 

Pre_VizsIa

@caesarII: 14. Qxe5+ and material is not even anymore! Plus, white still has the option of castling to either side. I'd rather play white here.

MikeGolf

Who in their right mind wants to get fried livered or lolli attacked? At least E4H5 only wastes a single turn with no loss in pieces.

PFaze
pvmike, Thanks for the tip on the 2009 Chess Life article.
Bill_C

That is the second time today I have viewed a FLA with Black placing his King on e6. I have seen other exmples where the King  is at e6 as far out as move 19 and the advantage was slight for White.

Good line though. Reminds me why I play the KIA and Spanish with the White pieces.

irnman

When faced with the Fried Liver or the intended Lolli the key is NOT to play 5.... Nxd5! If you do then you will have problems ahead. Playing Nc6 to a5 threatening the Bishop at c4 immediately stops white's plans. It is possible to play against less capable players who use the Fried Liver and Lolli by responding 5.... Nxd5 but it is a bit messy usually.

GaelicHermit

6. ... Na5 refutes the FLA

Conquistador

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Na5?! seems rather risky if you ask me.

XenonGolf

I know I'm not a grandmaster or anything, but in my 3000+ games I have found that the best response to ng5 is still the Traxler because people

#1.) See a fork and go "ohhhhhhh I want pawn and rook"

#2.) Go hmm, desperation that person sacrifices a bishop

#3.) People who play ng5 are usally highly agressive players and don't play well defensively.



XenonGolf

After whatever white does black takes the rook with a tempo

Srivatsan775
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montemaur

Here is an aggressive line for black in this opening:

-Black is temporarily down a pawn but has good compensation as white can either lose a tempo by moving the bishop or trade the bishop for the knight leaving black with the bishop pair in what will be a fairly open game.  
-Black is controlling the center and white's knight on g5 also looks silly now and will gain black another tempo.  
-Black is also threatening to equalize the material very very quickly and has a lot of threats going forward if white tries to get too cute.

Computer suggests best move after this for white is bishop back to e2, and black is completely fine.

Maradonna

montemaur

 maybe:6.Nxf7 instead of 6.Bxb5.

F0T0T0
montemaur wrote:

Here is an aggressive line for black in this opening:

-Black is temporarily down a pawn but has good compensation as white can either lose a tempo by moving the bishop or trade the bishop for the knight leaving black with the bishop pair in what will be a fairly open game.  
-Black is controlling the center and white's knight on g5 also looks silly now and will gain black another tempo.  
-Black is also threatening to equalize the material very very quickly and has a lot of threats going forward if white tries to get too cute.

Computer suggests best move after this for white is bishop back to e2, and black is completely fine.

 

7.c4

montemaur
Maradonna wrote:

montemaur

 maybe:6.Nxf7 instead of 6.Bxb5.


Nxf7 gives up a knight and a bishop for black's knight and the fact that black can't castle.

montemaur
quadriple wrote:
montemaur wrote:

Here is an aggressive line for black in this opening:

-Black is temporarily down a pawn but has good compensation as white can either lose a tempo by moving the bishop or trade the bishop for the knight leaving black with the bishop pair in what will be a fairly open game.  
-Black is controlling the center and white's knight on g5 also looks silly now and will gain black another tempo.  
-Black is also threatening to equalize the material very very quickly and has a lot of threats going forward if white tries to get too cute.

Computer suggests best move after this for white is bishop back to e2, and black is completely fine.

 

7.c4

7. c4 loses the g2 pawn and white's rook is now on the run.

TBentley

The main line after 5...b5 is 6. Bf1. It and 5...Nd4 often transpose.