The Grob's Attack, and Why We Don't Play it More???
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bulletchesser
Oct 9, 2017
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#201
Isn't it possible to castle queenside if you play 1.g4 and weaken your kingside?
Play it only against Carlsen 
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Dec 1, 2017
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#204
bulletchesser wrote:
ok ok this position may be good for both if played correctly .
Too risky?
problem with the grob is that you loose a pawn and black isnt forced and black can just play 3.c6
4. cxd5 - cxd5 , 5 qa4+ - bd7 or qd7 . decent players wont play 2. bg2 in the grob but probably h3
Dec 17, 2017
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#208
Talfan98 5....Qa4 che4ck is not correct . 5....Qb3 wins back the pawn with all kinds of tricks .
BORGamundo έγραψε:
Talfan98 5....Qa4 che4ck is not correct . 5....Qb3 wins back the pawn with all kinds of tricks .
5.Qb3 wins back the pawn with a miserable position (for white).
Dec 17, 2017
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#210
One problem is even near-beginners only need a few minutes to learn enough theory to get a good position.
If the two players are close in rating, then white has to hope this is the first time black has seen 1.g4.
Dec 17, 2017
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#211
IM pfrem ! i understand that . And at your level it would probably be all over unless you were playing Fischer , Tigran or Tal etc. But at my lowly level I would at least not be down a pawn and golly gee , hello I think there might be a little game left . I realize the grob is not good , but at least it gets away from memorizing lines and there are tons of tactics that can change things in a 5 or 10 min. game .
Dec 17, 2017
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#212
BORGamundo wrote:
IM pfrem ! i understand that . And at your level it would probably be all over unless you were playing Fischer , Tigran or Tal etc. But at my lowly level I would at least not be down a pawn and golly gee , hello I think there might be a little game left . I realize the grob is not good , but at least it gets away from memorizing lines and there are tons of tactics that can change things in a 5 or 10 min. game .
what about playing trying to applay reasonable principles? it shhould be way easier then memorizing long lines or playing bad openings. you play, you analyze your game, expecially when you got somenthing wrong, and then if you like you can check the book and try to figure out why that variation didn't followed the way you played and so on... repaeat it a few times and you should be able to somehow handle openings (I mean getting a somewhat playable position although worst even when you see somenthing for the first time) even without studying them in every specific line, more or less most of the ideas tend to repeat themselfs...
BORGamundo έγραψε:
IM pfrem ! i understand that . And at your level it would probably be all over unless you were playing Fischer , Tigran or Tal etc. But at my lowly level I would at least not be down a pawn and golly gee , hello I think there might be a little game left . I realize the grob is not good , but at least it gets away from memorizing lines and there are tons of tactics that can change things in a 5 or 10 min. game .
Bobby, Tigran or Misha would never play 1.g4? - even in a blitz game.
The only instance of a very strong player employing 1.g4 recently is already known- a very famous "game":
So, if your aim is resigning very quickly, then 1.g4 is close to being the perfect choice.
Dec 18, 2017
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#214
IM Pfren - Are you kidding me ? this game proves nothing . I mean 2. f3 ????? Give me a break .Who in their right mind would play that move ? the correct move is obviously 2. Bg2 or the cowardly 2.h3 . Or the long spike 2.g5 . I'm not saying the Grob is a good opening . All i said was 5. Qb3 is better than 5,Qa4 check , because at least it wins back the pawn . and at least material is even . And i also realize that white has a bad position (-+). most of my games as white have been the "RETI" . I was merely saying there was a better move than Qa4 when you stepped in with your usual sage advise which i already knew ,
U are so naive BORGamundo, how can u believe top players could play such moves in a normal game...
Some informations for ignorant people like BORGamundo :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/gibraltar-flash
U could find more informative news, i let u find it.
Dec 18, 2017
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#216
poucin wrote:
U are so naive BORGamundo, how can u believe top players could play such moves in a normal game...
Some informations for ignorant people like BORGamundo :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/gibraltar-flash
U could find more informative news, i let u find it.
please don't reveal obvious things and spoil other people fun...
Dec 18, 2017
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#217
I NEVER SAID THE GROB WAS GOOD !!!!! CHECK OUT #222 WHERE I SAID IT WASN'T GOOD . THIS ALL STARTED AT#218 when Talofan98 said that the Grob was bad because of 1.g4-d5 2.Bg2-Bxg4 3.c4-c6 4.cxd5-cxd5 5.Qa4-Bd7 and white is down a pawn . I SIMPLY SAID 5.Qb3 WINS BACK THE PAWN . THEN IM Prem SAID WITH A HORRI8LE POSITION . I AGREE WITH THAT . BUT AT LEAST WHITE WOULDN'T BE DOWN A PAWN IN A BAD POSITION . i'M NOT SO NAIVE THAT i think it would be good in a serious game . Go back to#218 AND READ FROM THERE TO0 GET THE WHOLE STORY .
Dec 18, 2017
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#218
OTB against an unprepared opponent it is probably a decent enough choice, below IM level anyway. What it lacks from a theoretical point of view would be more than compensated for by being more familiar with the positions than the opponent/
Psychologically too it can be tough on the opponent, and also it should provide a time advantage.
The Yifan game with f3 was not a real game just a protest. However it is interesting what her opponent said
Lalith said, "I was scared when she played 1.g4 and I suspected preparation! But when I saw 2.f3, I figured out that something was wrong."
See, she was scared after 1.g4, most people dont like to fface it as they have never met or prepared anything for it
Dec 18, 2017
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#219
Wow ! This is getting crazy with you high and mighty higher rated chess players lying about what Borgamundo said . yes you
"U are so naive BORGamundo, how can u believe top players could play such moves in a normal game" .
please show me where Borgamundo says that . thats a big fat lie and you know it . He never said that ! i've been following this with interest . I have played the grob on over 500 games on lichess wuith great results . sure i'm a low rated patzer but I'm having fun . We all know the grob is not sound . we don't need you hi rated brilliant players to tell us that .But tell that to the guy on ICC that only plays 1.g4 and 1....g5 on every game . he is rated over 2500 ! tactics baby ! tactics ! fun ! open lines . ! really like what "Nc3 always" had to say bout the Grob ! And the grob is not only about traps .In fact i have only had 42 games where the gambit was accepted out of over 500 games . please ! just let us patzers have our fun ! there is more of us than you . Hey guys .Happy holidays !
